Dear Colleagues,

This is what we all should be doing right now. Please follow the lead of the
Dosas.

Happy New Year: Bela Liptak

---------------------
Forwarded message:
From:    (Laszlo Dosa)
To:     
Date: 97-01-02 09:07:37 EST

Laszlo and Catherine Dosa
Post Office Box 3119
Jupiter, Florida 33469
Phone/Fax: (561) 744-6380
E-mail: 

January 2, 1997

The Honorable Mohammed Bedjaoui
President of the International Court of Justice
Carnegieplein 2, 2517 KJ,
Den Haag
The Netherlands
FAX: 011-31-70-3649-928

Dear Mr. President,

We take the liberty to write to you with reference to the dispute between
Hungary and Slovakia regarding the fate of the Danube River and the
environment along its shores.
It has come to our attention that the Court is preparing to rule in this
case. The Foundation to Protect the Hungarian Environment has submitted to
the Court a Compromise Plan to return the Danube into its natural riverbed.
We hope and trust the Court will take this Compromise Plan into
consideration as it makes its historic ruling.
Respectfully,




      Laszlo Dosa                                    Catherine Power Dosa

Laszlo Dosa
P.O.Box 3119
Jupiter, FL 33469
U.S.A.
Phone/Fax: 1-561-744-6380
E-mail: 

BUEK, y'all!
Sam Stowe


"Where communal pathos
rules, truth flees..."
-- Gyorgy Konrad

BBBBBUUUUUEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!

MTamas9728 > wrote in article
>...
> Szeretnenk meg tudni hogy van e chatroom a magyaroknak az InterNeten?
> Ha valaki tudja legyen szives valaszoljon e-mail .
>
Probald irc.voicenet.com #hungary
vagy irc.stealth.net #magyar

In article >, 
says...
>
>Dear Listers,
>
>Happy New Year to One and All!
>
>January 1, 1997 . . . There, that's the first time
>I will have written the date for this new year . . .
>At my age one seldom has a "first" anything . . . so
>it feels good . . .
>
>Sincerely,
>Steven C. Scheer
>
>
And a happy one to you too!  Don't you think that the older we get, the
faster the time flies?  Regards, Agnes

Dear Listers,

Happy New Year to One and All!

January 1, 1997 . . . There, that's the first time
I will have written the date for this new year . . .
At my age one seldom has a "first" anything . . . so
it feels good . . .

Sincerely,
Steven C. Scheer

Szeretnenk meg tudni hogy van e chatroom a magyaroknak az InterNeten?
Ha valaki tudja legyen szives valaszoljon e-mail .

Dear colleagues and friends,

It's with a grief in the heart that I recommend you the
following reading:

Los Angeles Times, 31 Dec 96
COLUMN ONE
The State as Stage Manager

by DEAN E. MURPHY, Times Staff Writer

This is a very good resume of the year 1996 in the Slovak
culture and also the other major events are mentioned.

The URL is http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/FRONT/t000114174.html

I wish you all a New Year that will be better than that.

Roman Kanala

aheringer wrote:
>
> In article >, 
> says...
> >
> >Dear Listers,
> >
> >Happy New Year to One and All!
> >
> >January 1, 1997 . . . There, that's the first time
> >I will have written the date for this new year . . .
> >At my age one seldom has a "first" anything . . . so
> >it feels good . . .
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Steven C. Scheer
> >
> >
> And a happy one to you too!  Don't you think that the older we get, the
> faster the time flies?  Regards, Agnes

Adding myself to the list of well wishers for a fantastic '97 to all!
Regards,
Aniko

Dear Colleagues,

If every one of you did, what Kriszi has done in the attached letter to her
friends, you would make a difference. Such a chain letter, if started only by
a thousand people, but resent by each recipient to their friends, could wake
public opinion. We have only 6 weeks, please help.

Best regards: Bela Liptak
---------------------
Forwarded message:
From:    (K. Mendonca)
Reply-to:       
To:     , ,
, , , ,
, , , 
CC:     , 
Date: 96-12-30 21:55:05 EST

Dear Friends,

For the past few months I've been involved in a volunteer project to
help restore the Danube Wetlands. I've dedicated a section of my Web
site to this issue which is near and dear to my heart. Please take
a moment to read the attached summary and visit the site.

www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm

Summary: In the mid 80's Slovakia (the country formerly known as
half of Czechoslovakia) began construction on a series of dams aimed
at generating hydroelectricity.  The plan was originally based
on a 1977 agreement with Hungary, requiring the diversion of the
Danube, the border river shared by the two countries. Considerable
pressure from the former Soviet Union influenced the agreement.
When it became apparent that the plan would result in catastrophic
environmental damage Hungary backed out of the agreement.
Slovakia went ahead and illegally diverted the river, depriving
Hungary of her natural resource. The result is devastating
environmental and economic damage to Hungary, all for a mere 2-3% of
Slovakia's electricity needs. In February the International Court
of Justice will begin hearings on this case, the first environmental
issue ever brought before the Court. The ruling could have long
term effects and set environmental precedents around the globe.

Please help spread the word to friends and acqaintances who may
want to know about this important issue.

Thanks for your attention.

Kriszti

In article >,  says...
>
>ssecond attempt
>
You are on!  Agnes

just testing. I subscribed a week ago and there hasn't been a single message.

Doug Holmes

ssecond attempt

I'm trying to connect with this group to post some messages. Testing
to see if I know how.

I am seeking to contact members of the Kmet family. I am a first
generation American of Hungarian decent,(my mother immigrated to the U.S.
in 1923)  wishing to contact others related to the Kmett family.

Contact 

In article >,  says...
>
>In article >,
 says...
>>
>>Hi, Gang!
>>I received Ma'rta Sebestye'n's album, Lovessongs, for Christmas and
have
>>really enjoyed listening to it. I have a few questions, though. First,
......
>
>
>
>
>
>It is a representative for Szekely and Csango groups (Eastern
>Transylvania).
>
>Someone - I don't remember who any more - wrote me a few weeks ago that
the themes are ancient gypsy themes.

Agnes
>
>Albert Albu

How is the Budapest area surviving the storm/cold? Is the Danube frozen
there, too?

 wrote:
>Hi, Gang!
>I received Ma'rta Sebestye'n's album, Lovessongs, for Christmas and have
>really enjoyed listening to it. I have a few questions, though. First, do
>all of her albums sound like this? She has a beautiful voice, but the
>instrumental accompaniment on the album was a tad too electronically
>synthesized for my tastes. Am I better off getting her albums with
>Muzsikas if I want to hear her backed by more traditional instrumentation?
>Second, is this singing style of hers typical of Hungarian folk music or
>is she sui generis? The music on this album sounds like it has Celtic and
>Middle Eastern elements to it. I like it and it didn't take me twice
>listening through it all the way before I picked up the tunes. If this is
>a pretty representative sample of Hungarian folk music, I think I'd like
>to start collecting some more. Any suggestions?
>Sam Stowe
>
>
>
>
>"Alright, that's it! I've had it up
>to here with that grieving chicken
>widow crap!..."
>-- Ren Hoek

Yeah, if you wanted to listen to real Magyar ne'pzene or Erde'lyi
ne'pzene you'd have to find her with Muzsikas. There is a Hannibal CD
with a dozen tracks with Muzsikas. Its not bad but I am not sure how much
it would cost. Of course, if you're interested in folk-music (the real
stuff - not the nota'k), Hungaroton and Qualiton has some tapes and maybe
CDs with groups other than Muzsikas but with Sebestye'n singing in them
with these other groups. Only problem might be cost as a typical
Hungaroton/Qualiton tape costs about $13.90 Canadian and a CD costs
around $23.90 Canadian... maybe in the US it's cheaper... Damned Yankees!
:-)

Cheers,

Peter Chong

 wrote:

<I received Ma'rta Sebestye'n's album, Lovessongs, for Christmas and have
<really enjoyed listening to it. I have a few questions, though. First, do
<all of her albums sound like this? She has a beautiful voice, but the
<instrumental accompaniment on the album was a tad too electronically
<synthesized for my tastes. Am I better off getting her albums with
<Muzsikas if I want to hear her backed by more traditional
instrumentation?
<Second, is this singing style of hers typical of Hungarian folk music or
<is she sui generis? The music on this album sounds like it has Celtic and
<Middle Eastern elements to it. I like it and it didn't take me twice
<listening through it all the way before I picked up the tunes. If this is
<a pretty representative sample of Hungarian folk music, I think I'd like
<to start collecting some more. Any suggestions?

I'm not an expert, but I was also disappointed with her Apocrypha album --
too much of the synthesized instrumentation for my tastes.  I haven't
heard too too much of her work with Muzsika's, but I would say, rush out
and buy their Blues for Transylvania -- it's hauntingly beautiful.  And
God, doesn't she have an incredible voice?

 (S or G Farkas) wrote:

>Aniko Dunford > wrote:

>>Still I can't understand why Zoli or Jozsi
>>would not reply to requests as to what may be going on.

>I have read on HIX that Jozsi Hollosi is in Hungary for the holidays.
>This explains that (and the fact that HIX papers were somewhat late or
>missing lately). Zoli Fekete was very quiet lately, possibly he is
>also out of town.

>Gabor D. Farkas

        Yes, he is in Hungary but he answered my letter, basically saying that 
s
 ince
he
is not here he doesn't know anything about it. Actually, there were problems
with the Forum too, I understand, during my troubles with my computer.

Ez most hova megy?
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet

In article >,
 says...
>
>Hi, Gang!
>I received Ma'rta Sebestye'n's album, Lovessongs, for Christmas and have
>really enjoyed listening to it. I have a few questions, though. First, ......





It is a representative for Szekely and Csango groups (Eastern
Transylvania).



Albert Albu

Hi, Gang!
I received Ma'rta Sebestye'n's album, Lovessongs, for Christmas and have
really enjoyed listening to it. I have a few questions, though. First, do
all of her albums sound like this? She has a beautiful voice, but the
instrumental accompaniment on the album was a tad too electronically
synthesized for my tastes. Am I better off getting her albums with
Muzsikas if I want to hear her backed by more traditional instrumentation?
Second, is this singing style of hers typical of Hungarian folk music or
is she sui generis? The music on this album sounds like it has Celtic and
Middle Eastern elements to it. I like it and it didn't take me twice
listening through it all the way before I picked up the tunes. If this is
a pretty representative sample of Hungarian folk music, I think I'd like
to start collecting some more. Any suggestions?
Sam Stowe




"Alright, that's it! I've had it up
to here with that grieving chicken
widow crap!..."
-- Ren Hoek

Archive-name: hungarian/pointer
Soc-culture-magyar-archive-name: pointer
Bit-listserv-hungary-archive-name: pointer
Version: 0.90 (beta)
Posting-Frequency: monthly
Last-modified: 1995/11/21
URL: http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/hungarian-faq-pointer

 This document summarizes network-related resources of Hungarian
interest, which are accessible via email. Some of the most readily
available sources of information can be found in the archives of
periodical information postings to Usenet; these documents are commonly
known as FAQs (from Frequently Asked/Answered Questions). Knowing the
name of the file you can retrieve it by sending email to
 with the command "send
usenet/news.answers/<ARCHIVE-NAME>" in the message (without the quotes,
and with substituting the actual name for <ARCHIVE-NAME> in the pattern
shown above) - for example, to get the document described below, use

 send usenet/news.answers/hungarian-faq

 To learn more about the RTFM server just send the command "help" to it
- it will provide step-by-step intstructions on how to use the
archives, on retrieving indexes and so on.

 "Hungarian electronic resources FAQ" is a comprehensive collection
dealing with email, FTP, WWW and other Internet tools; its archive name
is 'hungarian-faq' (and the mail-server command to get it is shown in
the example above).
 If you only have direct access to email then, in order to use the
other tools, you'll need the methods described in "Accessing The
Internet By E-Mail" (Archive-name:
internet-services/access-via-email).
 To get a general introduction to Usenet (with some guides to Internet
as well - and explanation of how they are different, too) see "Welcome
to news.newusers.questions!" (Archive-name: news-newusers-intro).
 For a guide to finding someone's e-mail addresses, see the "FAQ: How
to find people's E-mail addresses" (Archive-name: finding-addresses).
Do notice that it's usually inappropriate to send such blanket requests
to mailing lists; the search tools available give much better chance to
locate addresses sought than posted queries in any case!
 An overview of commercial on-line services in Hungary is available by
John Horvath >
(Archive-name: hungarian/comm-providers).

 The hungarian-faq describes several email lists related to Hungary;
only a brief summary is shown here. Please keep in mind that
subscription requests (and other administrative communications) should
be directed to the server address, NOT to the lists themselves.

Server: 
 List:  (the HUNGARY LISTSERV list)

Server: 
 List: HOL (Hungary Online)

Server: 
 List: hungary-report

Server: 
 Lists: OMRI-L (Open Media Research Institute Daily Digest)
        MIDEUR-L (Middle European discussion list)

Server: 
 List: cet-online (Central Europe Today On-Line; email )

Server: 
 List: CERRO-L (Central European Regional Research Organization)

Server: email to  (Hollosi Information Exchange)
 Lists: HIX is a collection of several separate lists, including
  - MOZAIK, a collection of news items in English
  - various discussion forums in Hungarian language
  - SCM and HUNGROUPS, which are email-accessible archives of the Usenet
    newsgroup soc.culture.magyar and the hun.* national hierarchy,
    respectively; to get a directory listing of these archives (as well
    as that of other HIX lists), send email to  with
    "arch" in the 'Subject:' line. Note that the SENDDOC utility takes
    its parameter from the 'Subject:' of the message (unlike many other
    servers, like the ones described previously, which use the body)!

 Note that this document is available on the
 <http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/>; homepage for the "Hungarian
electronic resources FAQ" at the HIX WWW-server.
 The latter also provides access for the full FAQ via
 'finger ', and for this brief pointer you are
reading via 'finger ' (notice that you
will likely need to redirect the output to a pager or a file in order
to read it). The Usenet archive name for this document is
 hungarian/pointer .

--
 Zoli , keeper of <http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/>;
 <'finger '>
 NOTE: spamsters and bulk emailers see 'X-Policy*:' in the
header for the charges to be imposed for net abuse!

Dear Listers,

I know it's short notice but a storm fried my modem here
just the other day and I couldn't deliver this message prior
to this day.

The Modern Language Association is meeting in Washington,
D.C. this year. The Discussion Group on Hungarian Literature
has a fine program in store for us all at this time on the
"postmodern" fiction of Konrad, Esterhazy, and Nadas.

The session on Hungarian literature will be held in

Monroe West of the Washington Hilton

on Friday, December 27, 1996 from 9:00 p.m. till 10:15 p.m.

People in the Washington D.C. area interested in Hungarian
literature may wish to attend. I believe that non-MLA members
can obtain passes to attend a single meeting such as this.
This discussion group deserves the support of Hungarians
and friends of Hungary alike. The papers this year should be
very interesting and thought-provoking.

See you there.

Steven C. Scheer

********************************************************************
     "Now is the time to let peace reign this holiday season,
      and hopefully from now on in this country. This is my
                   wish for the people of Bosnia."
      --John Shalikashvili, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff
  ********************************************************************


            THIS WEEK IN BOSNIA-HERCEGOVINA: DEC. 25, 1996

     A YEAR MOSTLY WITHOUT WAR. "The holiday season and the first full
year of peace in Bosnia have brought new signs of hope to the war-torn
country," Voice of America reports.
     "Mehmed Halilovic, the editor-in-chief of Sarajevo's newspaper,
says people are grateful the war is over. Although he says the country
is still divided and the leaders that started the war are still in
power, he does not believe there will be more fighting. `As long as we
have an international force here, there is no way to have a new
outbreak of war,'" he told VOA.

     MORE MUSLIM-OWNED HOMES DESTROYED BY CROATS. However, "ethnic
cleansing" goes on. "Three Muslim homes were destroyed over the weekend
on Bosnian Croat-held territory, bringing the number of demolished
Muslim homes up to 35 over the past three months," UPI reported a week
ago. The latest attack on Muslim-owned property, aimed at preventing
refugee returns, occurred in Capljina.
     And in west Mostar, "Bosnian Croats are violating the Dayton peace
accord by expelling Muslims and Serbs from their homes, including one
recent victim who is an elderly, handicapped woman, the United Nations
said," according to Reuters. Croats waged a brutal campaign of ethnic
cleansing in the formerly mixed southern Bosnian city, driving its
Muslims into the city's old town where they were besieged and
bombarded. Peace was supposed to reintegrated the country.
     UN spokesman Kris Janowski said there were more than 60 evictions
this year. In one case, three uniformed men broke into an elderly
woman's apartment, carried her to a car, and drove her to what has
become the city's Muslim ghetto, where they dumped her onto a street.
     "The Serbs and Muslims in west Mostar are second-class citizens.
They can't get work and they essentially sit in their apartments for
fear of losing them -- someone breaking in, changing the locks and
taking over the apartment," Janowski said. In contrast, Serbs and
Croats remaining in what is now Muslim-run east Mostar lead "fairly
normal lives," Janowski said.
     Meanwhile, "Bosnian Serbs in the town of Sipovo have refused to
allow the return of Muslim refugees to the region, despite a previous
agreement with the UN High Commissioner for Refugees and Muslim
authorities," UPI reports. "The Bosnian Serb representative told (UNHCR
representative Ariane) Quintier that Muslims will never be able to go
back to Sipovo. The move violates the 1995 Dayton peace accord."

     SILAJDZIC, BOSIC NOMINATED TO CHAIR CENTRAL GOVERNMENT COUNCIL.
Haris Silajdzic, Bosnia's former prime minister who broke ranks with
President Alija Izetbegovic, was nominated as the Muslim representative
to lead Bosnia's central government, while Boro Bosic, a one-time power-
plant manager and energy minister, was tapped as the Serb member. The
two are expected to head Bosnia's as-yet-unformed weak central
government that will oversee foreign policy, foreign trade, and "civil
affair and communications," according to Reuters.
     "The six-person, ethnically balanced Council of Ministers also
will include a Croat as vice chairperson and as foreign minister, a
Bosnian Serb as minister for civil affairs and communications and a
Bosnian Muslim as minister for foreign trade and economic relations,"
Associated Press reports. "Each minister will have two deputies
representing Bosnia's other two ethnic groups."
     "Some people might say it's a complicated structure, some people
might say it's extravagant," international mediator Michael Steiner
told AP. "But it is a structure which takes into account that after the
war ... there is still so much mistrust."

     SFOR TAKES OVER. "NATO formally ended one Bosnia mission Friday
and began another," AP reported from Sarajevo, as the year-long IFOR
mission was replaced by the new peace Stabilization FORce. SFOR is to
have 31,000 troops, gradually phased out over a year and a half,
compared with IFOR's peak of 60,000. NATO officials stressed that
international troops were not prepared to remain indefinitely.
     SFOR is commanded by U.S. Gen. William Crouch.
     "Like the old force, the new force does not have a mandate to hunt
down war-crimes suspects," AP notes. In fact, NATO troops have gone out
of their way not to confront Radovan Karadzic and Gen. Ratko Mladic,
indicted for genocide and crimes against humanity.
     The West's top diplomat in Bosnia, civilian peace coordinator Carl
Bildt, told a news conference: "At some point in time, some action will
be taken" against those accused of genocide.

     A SEPARATE FORCE TO HUNT WAR CRIMINALS? "The United States is
drawing up plans for a U.S.-led paramilitary force to capture suspects
indicted on war crimes charges in the former Yugoslavia," the N.Y.
Times reported last week. "While stressing that no decision has been
made on whether to try to hunt down suspected war criminals, the
officials said that such a force would be a prime option. ...
     "(A) White House meeting Monday, which brought together the deputy
secretaries of agencies involved in Balkans policy, agreed to draw up
detailed military options as a `high priority,' so that President
Clinton could decide whether the United States should go ahead, either
alone or with other countries, with what would be a risky intervention.
A paramilitary police force would work under the auspices and authority
of the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague. ...
     "The willingness of Shalikashvili and (outgoing Defense Secretary
William) Perry to discuss the option in public this week infuriated one
senior official, who speculated that the Pentagon might be trying to
derail or kill the idea, while another senior official suggested they
were `just trying to steer it as far away from the military as
possible.'"
     Perry said that arresting indicted war criminals is not a job for
NATO soldiers, and he would recommend creating a new force for the job.
NATO ministers reportedly discussed such a force, but no agreement was
reached.
     "Refugees will not return and municipal elections are unlikely to be
free and fair while these guys (accused war criminals) are still out
there," a NATO official conceded privately to the Reuters news service.
     Momcilo Krajisnik, the Serb member of Bosnia's three-man
presidency, said any such force would be a "serious attack" on
Republika Srpska. Serbs still refuse to hand over their indicted
criminals to the War Crimes Tribunal, although they are supposedly
required to under the Dayton accords.
     Krajisnik himself was never indicted for war crimes, although he
was a strong supporter of the siege of Sarajevo, which has been labeled
a crime against humanity by the tribunal.

     POLICE PROTECTION FOR KARADZIC. "International police in Bosnia
said on Wednesday they spotted indicted war criminal Radovan Karadzic
under armed escort but the NATO-led force took no action to arrest
him," Reuters reported on Dec. 11. "International police monitors saw
Karadzic in a Jeep on Monday, escorted by heavily armed special police
in the Serb government seat of Pale, outside Sarajevo."
     UN police monitors, who are unarmed, reported the sighting to NATO
officials, but "NATO chose not to launch an operation to arrest
Karadzic at the Famos factory and never seriously considered it, NATO
spokesman Major Brett Boudreau told reporters," Reuters says. Instead,
the UN was reduced to issuing a "strong protest" that Serb authorities
are giving protection to an indicted war criminal and that Serb police
protecting him were carrying illegal weapons.
     Not surprisingly, Serb authorities ignored the complaint, with
Interior Minister Dragan Kijac in essence calling it no big deal, UPI
reports. Serb nationalists maintain they have no obligation to
cooperate with the tribunal.

     WAR-CRIMES SUSPECT ARRESTED IN GERMANY. "German prosecutors said
Wednesday they had charged a 56-year-old citizen of the former
Yugoslavia with rape, assault and assisting genocide in 1992 while
serving with Serb forces in the Bosnian civil war," Reuters reports.
The man, identified only as "Maksim S.," is accused of raping Muslim
women and leading a paramilitary squad that violently rounded up Muslim
civilians for deportation. He allegedly used a bayonet to remove the
eye of one Muslim victim.

     GERMAN COMBAT TROOPS COME TO BOSNIA. For the first time since the
end of World War II, German combat troops have been deployed in Europe
outside the country's borders.  German ground forces served in Bosnia
this year, but only in supporting logistical, medical, and engineering
roles, although German pilots helped enforce the "no-fly" zone during
Bosnia's war.
     Armed German soldiers are a potent symbol in the Balkans, where
Germans and their Croatian fascist allies, the Ustasha, slaughtered
hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Gypsies, and Jews. However, Western
Europeans hope the German troops of 1997 will offer another symbol:
that 2,000 Germans are serving in a mixed peacekeeping brigade with
French soldiers, their World War II enemies, under a French commander.
     Human-rights advocates note that Germany reconciled with the rest
of Europe only after some of those who planned and led the campaign of
genocide against the Jews of Europe were punished at war-crimes trials.

     UTILITY WOES STILL PLAGUE SARAJEVO; ANOTHER FRIGID WINTER LOOMS.
"Bosnians may shiver through the winter unless the government and a
local gas company reach agreement with a Russian gas supplier on an
outstanding $11 million debt, a company manager said on Thursday,"
Reuters reports. "Gas is an important source of heating in a country
striving to recover from a 43-month war but haggling over payment of
the debt has put the winter gas supply in doubt."
     Along with the current $11 million shortfall, a separate $105
million debt piled up during the war. The Russian supplier says it will
only send gas to Bosnia until the end of the year unless Bosnia
presents a repayment plan for money owed. "Bosnian officials say the
gas problem comes at a time when a post-war government is still being
formed," according to Reuters. An official at Bosnia's gas firm said no
Bosnian government officials showed up at a meeting called recently to
discuss the problem.
     "Sarajevans are wrestling with gas, water and electricity
shortages for the fifth winter in a row, and watching as the
international community and the Bosnian government blame one another
for the problem," Reuters reported last month. "A year after the Dayton
peace agreement was signed and after a billion dollars in
reconstruction aid and other foreign expenditures, the city is still
plagued by outages." Carl Bildt blasted the Bosnian government for
"significant shortcomings" in handling reconstruction efforts, charging
that "there is no real reason why there should be inadequate gas,
heating, electricity, water, basic supplies reaching the ordinary
people of Sarajevo."
     Gas is available in some parts of Sarajevo but not others; and
even when available, supplies are not necessarily adequate for daily
service. The city's war-battered electric system is straining under
cold-weather demand of apartment dwellers seeking alternative,
expensive electric heat.
     "It's cold in my flat but at least nobody's shooting at us," a 27-
year-old Sarajevan told Reuters. "I don't know who's to blame for the
problem this winter but I bet they have gas and electricity where they
live."

     LOCAL ELECTIONS IN JUNE? The Organization for Security and
Cooperation in Europe, charged with overseeing Bosnian voting, expects
local elections to be held sometime in June 1997, Robert Frowick, OSCE
chief in Bosnia, told reporters in Sarajevo. Municipal elections were
postponed twice this year amid charges of attempted fraud and ethnic
engineering, especially as Serbs attempted to flood strategic towns
with refugee votes from throughout the Balkans.
     "We have much more time now to deal with the problems, and we have
to create a true voters list," Frowick said, according to UPI.  Serb
and federation officials are supposed to agree to hotly-disputed rules
for a local vote by the end of January.

     NON-SERB DELEGATES DENIED VOTING RIGHTS IN `SRPSKA.' "Muslim and
Croat members walked out of the Bosnian Serb parliament when their Serb
colleagues elected to deny them voting rights, the Yugoslav state news
agency Tanjug reported," Reuters said early this month. The dispute
centers around the non-Serb delegates' refusal to take an oath of
allegiance to the Serb Republic that included heavy references to the
Serb Orthodox church.

     SERB HARD-LINERS VOW TO KEEP BRCKO DESPITE ARBITRATION. Serb
extremists have vowed to keep their stranglehold on Brcko, even if
international arbitrators rule in February it should be turned over to
the Bosniak-Croat federation, according to UPI.
     Srpska President Biljana Plavsic and new Serb army commander Gen.
Pera Colic visited the region earlier this month, with Colic saying he
was establishing a local militia to defend Serb claims on the town.
     President Izetbegovic responded: "If there is a war over Brcko I
have no doubt that we will win."
     Brcko was "cleansed" of its Muslim and Croat majority by Serb
fighters early in the war. Serbs have since packed the town with Serb
refugees, who have taken over the homes of Muslim and Croat residents
barred from returning. The northern Bosnian town sits in a narrow
corridor connecting the two main parts of Serb-held Bosnia; it is also
on a vital north-south route connection the federation with the rest of
Europe. The Brcko dilemma was so intractable during Dayton peace
negotiations, that the treaty formally ending Bosnia's 1992-96 war left
the town's fate to future arbitration.

     BOSNIAN DINAR NOW CONVERTIBLE. The Bosnian dinar officially became
convertible into hard currency as of Dec. 5 within the Bosniak-Croat
federation, the vice-governor of Bosnia's National Bank told Reuters.
The official exchange rate is 100 dinars to the German mark; "black-
market" rates had been running 110 to 120.

     SERB WARLORDS KEEP CONTROL. The same Serbs who implemented ethnic
cleansing and genocide in Bosnia retain power in the Serb-held part of
Bosnia - and have formed an underground paramilitary force in Doboj and
Teslic to eradicate any opposition, according to a report by Human
Rights Watch/Helsinki. The ruling Serb party "uses the group to
destabilize the peace process, foment opposition to I-FOR and
international agencies within the Bosnian Serb population in Republika
Srpska, stir up general animosity towards the other entity--the Bosniak-
Croat Federation--and destroy any moderate-line Serb elements including
Bosnian Serb opposition parties and individuals," the rights group said
in a recent statement. "In addition, `liquidation units' have been
formed to eliminate specific high-ranking people, moderate Bosnian Serb
leaders and specific non-Serb minorities either still living in
Republika Srpska or returning there."
     NATO officials say it is up to "local authorities" to ensure
safety for all citizens -- even though it is the "local authorities"
who are organizing to terrorize non-Serbs and Serbian political
opponents.

     CROATIA DECORATES INDICTED WAR CRIMINAL. The government of
President Franjo Tudjman just awarded a medal to Gen. Tihomir Blaskic,
charged with atrocities against Muslim civilians in central Bosnia.
Since Blaskic turned himself over to the International War Crimes
Tribunal, the medal was presented to his wife at a ceremony earlier
this month.
     Croatian government officials defended the ceremony, saying the
medal had been awarded a month before Blaskic's indictment but the
ceremony couldn't be arranged until now. The U.S. government blasted
the move as "wholly inappropriate."

     FORCED REFUGEE RETURNS BEGIN FROM GERMANY. The German state of
Bavaria has begun forcibly sending back Bosnian refugees to their
homeland, although the men cannot return to their hometowns and have
nowhere else to go. Among nine Bosnians picked up by German police,
jailed, and then put on a charter plane to Sarajevo: a concentration-
camp survivor who arrived back with the clothes he was wearing, his
papers, and 6 German marks, according to a German ZDF-TV report. He
cannot return to Serb-held Prijedor, and the Bosnian government has
nowhere to house him.

     ELSEWHERE IN THE BALKANS. In neighboring Serbia, street have
continued daily to protest against President Slobodan Milosevic, whose
political machine overturned opposition candidates' victories in local
elections. Protests were mostly peaceful until Milosevic organized a
counter-demonstration in Belgrade Tuesday. Rivals battled in the
streets with sticks, knives, and iron bars, Reuters reports, while one
Milosevic supporter allegedly shot an opposition marcher.
     And in Croatia, President Franjo Tudjman has been making
increasingly anti-American statements, raising fears that he will
jettison the U.S.-backed Croat-Muslim federation within Bosnia. Tudjman
recently said he would take "more open" action against American
Ambassador Peter Galbraith, who has been pushing for improved human
rights within Croatia, Reuters reports.

     E-MAIL SUBSCRIPTION REQUESTS to nebosnia-list-
 or find "This Week in Bosnia-Hercegovina" on the
World Wide Web at http://world.std.com/~slm
         --Sharon Machlis Gartenberg, for the Bosnia Action Coalition

 (aheringer) wrote:

>
>>
>

>I am sorry, Mark, this doesn't make sense to me.  If this is the reason,
>don't we have to get notice that the group has been cancelled?

>Agnes

Business ethics and common decency supports your postulation.
Although I have seen a Group being cancelled without warning in
Toronto. The reason given was that it did not generate sufficient
interest for a wider audience and financially just was not viable to
continue. However, every situation is different and I really do
not know who pays for the expenses.

                                                                Mark

 wrote:
>
> In article >,  writes:
>
> >After glancing at your last para, well what can I utter ?
> >Dazzled by the brilliance of your intellect and continental manners?
> >Or perhaps:  Koszonom , you have just magnified and validated a minor
> >point of speculation ??
> >
> >I will only say, Merry Christmas to You TOO !  Es B.U.E.K.
> >
> >                                            O. Mark. F.
> >
> >
>
> Don't you get it, Mark? You're a jerk and you'll get no slack whatsoever
> from me. You have the goddamned temerity to take a shot at every regular
> contributor to this group on absolutely specious grounds. You can shove
> your Christmas and New Year's greetings straight up your ass. No doubt
> that's standard operating procedure in your case.
> Sam Stowe
>
> "Alright, that's it! I've had it up
> to here with that grieving chicken
> widow crap!..."
> -- Ren Hoek

You must do better than that!  You are not intimadating as some
may think : You are boring!

                           Mark

In article >,  writes:

>After glancing at your last para, well what can I utter ?
>Dazzled by the brilliance of your intellect and continental manners?
>Or perhaps:  Koszonom , you have just magnified and validated a minor
>point of speculation ??
>
>I will only say, Merry Christmas to You TOO !  Es B.U.E.K.
>
>                                            O. Mark. F.
>
>

Don't you get it, Mark? You're a jerk and you'll get no slack whatsoever
from me. You have the goddamned temerity to take a shot at every regular
contributor to this group on absolutely specious grounds. You can shove
your Christmas and New Year's greetings straight up your ass. No doubt
that's standard operating procedure in your case.
Sam Stowe




"Alright, that's it! I've had it up
to here with that grieving chicken
widow crap!..."
-- Ren Hoek

In article >,  writes:

> Andrew I hope I am wrong, but I wonder that the reason for the apparent
>cancellation of this otherwise excellent News Group is in
>your words: "We have become a Little community of our own"
>News groups usually are for the benefit of a larger public
>instead of a small number of people where cross fertilization
>of ideas is inhibited by conscious or subconscious elitist tendencies.
>Of course the result is that the 'product becomes stale' and is not
>marketable.

This newsgroup isn't a marketable commodity and your response smacks
of
cynicism unleavened by any real familiarity with the way this madhouse
operates. If you want to jump in and contribute, nobody's going to
stop
you and almost everybody will welcome you. Our posters have a wide
range
of divergent opinions on Hungarian politics, culture, current events,
etc.

Speaking of elitism, you obviously subscribe to the "subconscious"
kind,
since only an elitist or an outright dumb-ass would harbor the
illusion
that Internet newsgroups are for large audiences of any kind (no
matter
what that elusive and undefined quantity may be). This newsgroup's
audience is severely restricted by the economic (gots to have money to
own
the computer equipment and pay for the on-line time), technical (gots
to
know how to find the newsgroup and make that computer equipment work)
and
topic (gots to want to involve oneself in a newsgroup focused on
Hungary)
constraints imposed by the medium itself.

>
>In any case I do hope that things will turn out.
No you don't. Fork you and the flamebait you rode in on, you insincere
twerp.
Sam Stowe

>
>
After glancing at your last para, well what can I utter ?
Dazzled by the brilliance of your intellect and continental manners?
Or perhaps:  Koszonom , you have just magnified and validated a minor
point of speculation ??

I will only say, Merry Christmas to You TOO !  Es B.U.E.K.

                                            O. Mark. F.





"

Zimanyi Magdolna > wrote in article
>...
> On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Eva S. Balogh wrote:
>
> > At 01:58 PM 11/29/96 +0100, Magda Zimanyi wrote:
> >
> MZ >Sure the parties tried to defend jealously their share of power.
> MZ >However, the conditions were not equal for all the parties. The
> MZ >communist party had all the support of the Soviets.
> >
> EB>         Of course, there is no question about the above.
> [...]
> EB>  Although this is all true but all this doesn't prove that people
> EB> were actually forced into the party before 1948-49.
>
> No, it does not prove it. But I did not give these facts as a proof of
> forced party membership.  I intended only to give an overall view of
> the political climate and to show that the non-communist parties were
> not in a very good position to jealously guard their "share of power".
>
> EB> I think the fact that by October 1945 there were half a million
communist
> EB> party members speaks for itself:
>
> It speaks for itself as far as people are concerned who were party
> members already in 1945.  And of course it does not tell anything
> about people who were forced to enter later.  At least it is quite
> sure for you that the 400 thousand Social Democrats becoming members
> of the MDP by the unification did not enter the party voluntarily. (We
> saw that many of them were expelled later during the party purges.)
>
> MZ> >You can doubt it and find it unlikely, however, I described facts.
> >
> EB>         I am simply basing my opinion on numbers.
>
> As you and myself agreed that the use of precise wording is important
> I would put it that way: your opinion looks as it is based on
> speculation based on numbers. Maybe the facts of that time are not
> precisely reflected in the few numbers you cited. I find it
> interesting that you simply called the facts I mentioned "not likely"
> without looking further in the matter. IMHO if you don't want to
> believe me -- I don't know why not -- you could at least believe the
> contemporary cartoonist of Szabad Sza'j.  And of course I saw what I
> saw and experienced in that time about forcing people into the party.
> Maybe this is not documented well enough in that time's written
> history. In that case it would be interesting to look up that time's
> newspapers and collect people's memories. It could be a more practical
> approach listening to facts than simply doubting events you haven't
> heard of before and calling them "not likely".
>
> Best regards
>
>  Magdolna Zimanyi
>  KFKI Research Institute for Particle  Phone: +36-1-175-8257
>  and Nuclear Physics                   FAX:   +36-1-169-6567
>  Computer Networking Center            E-mail: 
>  H-1525 Budapest 114, POB. 49, Hungary URL: http://www.kfki.hu/~mzimanyi
>  -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>

 (Eva S. Balogh) wrote:

>Everybody!
>
>       I am almost certain that HUNGARY will be resurrected but in the
>meantime you may want to make your life easier and download from the
>Internet "Free Agent." Just go to one of your favorite search programs
>and type in Free Agent and I am sure that he will find the address
>from where you can download it. Free Agent is free and is very good.
>It makes things a great deal easier. You can hook it up to your
>browser and life is almost as good as it used to be with HUNGARY in
>e-mail form. I am just afraid that we are going to lose some of our
>friends: I haven't seen Joe or Eva D. Andy Kozma just wrote to me and
>I will tell him about bitnet.hungary.
>
>       By the way, I will also write to Gabor Farkas and tell him about
>bitnet.hungary. I am also thinking that Andras Kornai and Gabor
>Fencsik might know what's going on with HUNGARY. They are usually very
>well informed.
>
>       Now that I found you I will keep you informed.
>
>       Eva Balogh
>
>

Just shows you... I never even realized that there is any OTHER way of
accessing this list.

I am pretty sure that I have let on to someone that

  bit.listserv.hungary

is actually a Usenet newsgroup, therefore accessible via your favorite
newsreader (client). I use the commercial  version of Agent (Agent
99G, $29), which has kill filters, MIME, ability to launch the browser
by pointing to someone's URL or FTP site within the body of an article
and a host of other nifty features. A pleasure to use.

Must have done it privately, I guess.

Let's spread the word.

To all the most Joyous of Holidays and a Happy New Year!

Bandi
> -------------------------------------------
Andrew J. Rozsa - Birmingham, Alabama, USA
             

 (Eva S. Balogh) wrote:

>Dear Everybody,
>
>       I received explanation from Andras Kornai concerning the problem with t
h
 e
list. Apparently
>if there is an overload of postings the automatic processor stops its activity
and human
>interference is necessary to begin operation again. In this case, Mr. Lippai's
appearance
>most likely resulted an outpouring of posts. Hence the overload. Most likely
because of
>the academic break around Christmas time Hugh is not in Washington to
interfere. We must
>be patients.

To add to this, here is the message I have been receiving when sending
to the list:

"The distribution of your message dated Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:25:43-0800
with subject "Re: To  everybody" has been postponed because the
HUNGARY list is held. No  action is  required from  you; your  message
will  be reprocessed automatically once the list owner releases the
list."
So, it seems no messages are lost, they are just waiting to be
released(?).
Gabor D. Farkas

In article >, 
says...
>
>This is a test, sent to bit.listserv.hungary.
>
>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone (if you get it).
>
>Gabor D. Farkas

I got it - and the same to you!

P.S. I am accessing the list via WinVN.

Agnes

Dear Colleagures,

In 1996, we have made a difference in many areas (democracy movement in
Serbia, St. Stephen's Crown, Romanian Lobby, Pal Cseresznyes) but the issue
on which we truely scored, was the stopping of the secret, out-of-court deal
on the Danube.

In six weeks, the lawsuit at the International Court of Justice starts in the
Hague. Please, let us all dedicate these six weeks to waking up world public
opinion and bringing it to bear on the outcome of the first environmental
lawsuit in human history. It can be done and we can do it! This is how:

Thanks to Kriszti Mendonca (2409 Alvin St., Mt. View, CA 94043, tel:
415-691-9821, e-mail: ) now we have a multimedia
web-site at: http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm

Please do the following:
1) Please visit the site, see the pictures, learn the issues involved.
2) Please do whatever you can to get this site known and recognized by the
automatic web-servers. Anybody who knows how to do that, please contact
Kriszti.
3) Please write a form-letter to ALL your friends asking them to:
       a) Also visit the site
       b) Ask for help from politicians and the media
       c) RESEND your letter to THEIR friends, making it a true "chain
letter," which is destined to spread over the whole Internet.

At the end of this 15th revision of our HL status report, I also included
e-mail addresses you can use in this efferort. Remember, that the only things
we lose are the ones which we ourselves give up on, and we do not give up on
the Danube.

Have a very happy New Year celebration and right after that, please start
your chain letter! Best regards: Bela Liptak

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LIST OF HL-ACTIONS IN PROGRESS
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BACKGROUND INFORMATION (Articles, Lists)

Csangs Problem (13 and 43)
Cseresznyes - Facts (25 and 40))
Danube and the Compromise Plan (50)
E-Mail Lists of Media and Politicians (Attached)
Gyulafehervar Declaration (44)
Hungarian Economy (34)
Hungarian History (1 & 24)
Hungarian-Romanian Treaty's Text in both Hungarian and English (7 & 22)
Linguists Against the Slovak Language Law (26)
Our Blind Spot for Vojvodina (2)
Pannonhalma (2)
Proclamation of the Hungarians in Slovakia (2)
Road to Peace: Collective Human Rights (2)
Slovak Constitution (4)
Slovakia's Hungarian Minority (41)
South Tirol Precedent for Autonomy (45)
State Dept.: Romanian Human Rights Practice (32)
Subcarpathia (4)
Transylvania and the Romanian Constitution (3)
Trianon - Including Literature List (2,43 and 51)
Vojvodina (1 and 43)
Vojvodina, history of genocide (33)
Voting rights of dual citizens (22)
1956 Memoirs (2)

LETTER, ARTICLE AND FAX CAMPAIGNS (Formletters)

Support for Pal Cseresznyes (25)
Cry Hungary - Demand to show the BBC film in Hungary (2)
Csangos - 10 ways to help (2)
              - Allow them to hear the Holy Mass in their native language (2)
              - Letters to Vatican Radio, the Vatican paper L'Observatore and
to Archbishop of Gyor (25 and19)

Danube - Chain letter to spread news of "SAVE THE BLUE DANUBE" web site (50)

            - International Court of Justice (2)
            - Request to Gyula Horn to make Hungarian position public (2)
            - Support for Environmental NGO Memorial (2)
            - Support Compromise Plan (2)
            - For Danube related information refer to homepages (49):
              Our own: http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm
              Supporters: http.//origo.hnm.hu/danube_doc/
                  http:/gurukul.ucc.american.edu/TED/HUNGARY.HTM
Debt Repayment by Hungarian Stocks, Recommendation to Finance Minister (2)
Demand Slovak Apology for Expulsion of Hungarians after WW2 (2)
Habitat Housing Project of President Carter, Assistance (42)
Honor Gabor Bognar (2)       -
Hungarian Secret Police - Demand opening the III/II Files (2,11,31)
                                    - Oppose 80 year secrecy of "oilgate"
data (2)
Protest Bias of Reuters Reporters Roxana and Adrian Dascalu (46)
Protesting Gerrymandering in Slovakia (2)
Protesting Slovak Destruction of Hungarian Monuments (19)
Protesting Slovak Language Police ( 9)
Protesting Slovak Law Forbidding the Singing of National Anthems (19)
Protesting Romanian Educational Policy in Transylvania (2)
Rehabilitate Ilonka Toth, Request to Justice Minister (2)
Roma Problem: Asking for Protection of Romas (2)
                        Used clothing for the Transylvanian Roma (30)
Support: Democracy movement in Serbia (52)
Support for Somorja's Mayor on Language Law's Constitutionality (2)
Support for Unitarian Statement on Human Rights in Romania (5)

OTHER PROJECTS
AP/Reuters/UPI, Obtain names and e-mail/fax of key reporters (19)
Coordinate our Efforts with:
                           Hungarian Minister for the Minorities (7)
                           Romanian Lobby (20)
Pal Cseresznyes: Collection for the Cseresznyes Fund (48)
Donations:      to help csangos (52)
                      to Publish History of Bolyai Farkas Liceum (16 & 20)
                      for Building School Dormitory in Szabadka (27)
                      for Hungarian Press in Slovakia (6)
Order Dr. I. Benko's book on Trianon (35)
Support printing of postcards and stamps for Danube lawsuit (38)

NUMBER CODES:
1) 
2) HL archives at http://mineral.umd.edu/hl/archive/ or 
3) 
4) 
5) 
6) Laszls Bvjtvs, 11312 Fitzwater Dr. Brecksville, OH 44141
7) 
8) 
9) Eugene Megyesy Esq., fax: 303-832-3804
10) 
11) 
12) 
13) kurrah.cab.jgytf.u-szeged.hu  OR 
(14) 
(15) 
(16) Cultural Foundation for Transylvania, POB 1487, Washington DC 20013-1487
(17) Dr. J.L. Bollyky (fax: 203-967-4845)
(18) 
(19) 
(20) 
(21) 
(22) 
(23) 
(24) http://www.mediarange.com/media/huncor/huncor.htm
(25) 
(26) 
(27) 
(28) HHRF fax: 212-996-6268, Hungarian Coalition fax: 202-775-5175
(29) 
(30) International Roma Federation, Sandor Balogh, VP. 308 E. 80th St. NYC
10021, Fax: 212-472-7782.
(31) 
(32) 
(33) 
(34) 
(35) Dr. I. Benko, 18222 Robin Ave, Somona, CA 95476
(36) 
(37) 
(38) Laszlo Kertesz, Veszprem, Varga u. 8/8, Hungary
(39) 
(40) 
(41) 
(42) 
(43) 
(44) 
(45) 
(46) 
(47) Zonda Attila, fax: 011-40-65-168-511
(48) The Calvin Hungarian Presbyterian Church
11701-86 Street, Edmonton, Alberta, T5B 3J7, CANADA
(49) 
(50) http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm
(51) http://www.msstate.edu/archives/history/hungary.html
(52)  (Istok Gyorgy, Com: Cleja code: 5529, Jud: Bacau,
Romania)
(53) http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~protest96/
       http://mineral.umd.edu/protest96/
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PS: Please collect signatures to this form letter and mail it to the
President:
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Reply to:______________________________________________________
Date:_________________________________________________________

President Bill Clinton
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave
Washington, D.C.
(e-mail: )

RE: Support Collective Human Rights in Central Europe

Dear Mr. President,

Every culture is sacred, the destruction of a single one, mutilates the
heritage of the entire human race. International standards are needed to
protect all of them. We, Americans must accept the historical responsibility
to lead in the development of such international standards, which will
protect the collective human rights of all indigenous minority groups.

We must lead, as we pass on the bridge to the 21st Century, just as we did a
few decades ago, when we decided to protect the individual human
rights of all. Collective rights flow from those of the individual, because
such
basic rights as the use of one's language can only be practiced in groups.
There is no other choice. There are no melting-pots in the Screbenicas of the
World. The alternative to cultural autonomy are  mass graves and cultural
genocides.

Mr. President: In this century, the United States was forced three times, to
intervene in Europe. The only way to permanently eliminate the need for
sending our troops on similar missions in the future, is to eliminate the
cause of these conflicts. This should be done by uniformly satisfying the
aspitations of all indigenous minority groups. If, as the president of
the United States, you would make the defense of collective human rights and
cultural autonomy, a cornerstone of your foreign policy, you would
permanently eliminate the need for our G.I.s to get entangled in future
European conflicts.

As a member of the 1.58 million community of Hungarian-Americans, I ask you
to make the cultural autonomy of all indigenous national minorities of
Central Europe, an integral part of your foreign policy.

Respectfully yours,
Your name, address and title. If this letter is signed by many, please use
the attached form to list the names and addresses.

cc: Vice President Al Gore
)

NAME                                  ADDRESS
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

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E-MAIL  ADDRESS LIST FOR HUNGARIAN LOBBYING:

INDEX:
AMERICAN: Daily Newspapers
                   Helsinki Commission
                   Interested in 1956
                   Politicians
                   Senate Foreign Relations Committee
DANUBE: Environmentalists, Hungarian
                Environmental NGOs
                Environmentalist Publications
EUROPEAN: Political Leaders
                    Newspapers
                    Radios
HUNGARIAN: FIDESZ
                     Fg. Kisgazda
                     Government
                     Internet Lists
                     KDMP
                     MDF
                     MDNP
                     MSZP
                     MTI
                     Newspapers
                     Parliament
                     Radio
                     SZDSZ
                     Internet Groups
                     Leaders of Government
                     Leaders of Parliament
                     MTI
                     Newspapers
ROMANIAN: Csango specialists
                   Government and President
                   Hungarians
                   Lobby
                   Media
                   Organizations

SERBIAN: Protest96

SLOVAK: Hungarians



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H U N G A R I A N (Newspapers, TV)













H U N G A R I A N (New Yoek Consul)



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SLOVAKIAN (Hungarians)

In article >,
 says...
>
>Hi, Gang!
>I received Ma'rta Sebestye'n's album, Lovessongs, for Christmas and have
>really enjoyed listening to it. I have a few questions, though. First,
do
>all of her albums sound like this? She has a beautiful voice, but the
>instrumental accompaniment on the album was a tad too electronically
>synthesized for my tastes. Am I better off getting her albums with
>Muzsikas if I want to hear her backed by more traditional
instrumentation?
>Second, is this singing style of hers typical of Hungarian folk music or
>is she sui generis? The music on this album sounds like it has Celtic
and
>Middle Eastern elements to it. I like it and it didn't take me twice
>listening through it all the way before I picked up the tunes. If this
is
>a pretty representative sample of Hungarian folk music, I think I'd like
>to start collecting some more. Any suggestions?
>Sam Stowe
>
>It is absolutely not representative of Hungarian folk music.  As a
matter of fact, when I saw the English Patient and heard that song, I was
quite annoyed, never for one minute believing the song being Hungarian.
I even discussed this with my girl friend and she also thought that
Hungary being such a small country, people think they can put in anything
in an American film and people will believe it. The melody sounds Arabic
and I didn't understand one word of it.  Of course, I never heard of
Marta Sebestyen either, she is obviously a modern diva.
>
Agnes

In article >,  says...
>
>Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> What pleases me no end is that, despite our frequent verbal
>> scrimmages, we have become a little community of our own.
>>
>> Nice feeling. Even for a real (Christmas) Scrooge like me.
>>
>> The Best of Holiday to all!
>>
>> Bandi
>
> Andrew I hope I am wrong, but I wonder that the reason for the apparent
>cancellation of this otherwise excellent News Group is in
>your words: "We have become a Little community of our own"
>News groups usually are for the benefit of a larger public
>instead of a small number of people where cross fertilization
>of ideas is inhibited by conscious or subconscious elitist tendencies.
>Of course the result is that the 'product becomes stale' and is not
>marketable.
>
>In any case I do hope that things will turn out.
>
>                               O. Mark Fiorini

I am sorry, Mark, this doesn't make sense to me.  If this is the reason,
don't we have to get notice that the group has been cancelled?

Agnes

In article >,
 says...
>
>Szeretnenk meg tudni hogy van e chatroom a magyaroknak az InterNeten?
>Ha valaki tudja legyen szives valaszoljon e-mail .

Ezenkivul van meg a soc.culture.magyar.  Good luck.  Agnes

Could you help me in finding lids of my family.

My father's name is POLONYI AUREL BELA borned october 15 1913 in
TISZAPALKONYA.
His father POLONYI ANTAL
His mother GIBAS ANNA

Also the family of POLONYI MIHALY december 26 1923 in NAGYVARAD (Romania).

Is there a more concerned newsgroup?

english/french/ungarn  angol/franciaul/magyar

My adress 

Thanks.

Polonyi Roland

A'ld'asdu's Kara'csony-t e's boldog uj estendot kiva'n ausztra'lia'bol

Bogsa'nyi De'nes
On Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:33:29 GMT,  (Eva S. Balogh)
wrote:

>Dear Everybody,
>
>       I received explanation from Andras Kornai concerning the problem with t
h
 e
list. Apparently
>if there is an overload of postings the automatic processor stops its activity
and human
>interference is necessary to begin operation again. In this case, Mr. Lippai's
appearance
>most likely resulted an outpouring of posts. Hence the overload. Most likely
because of
>the academic break around Christmas time Hugh is not in Washington to
interfere. We must
>be patients.
>
>       Again, wishing everybody a very merry holiday season and a happy new ye
a
 r,
>
>       Eva Balogh
>
>

Dear Everybody,

        I received explanation from Andras Kornai concerning the problem with t
h
 e
list. Apparently
if there is an overload of postings the automatic processor stops its activity
and human
interference is necessary to begin operation again. In this case, Mr. Lippai's
appearance
most likely resulted an outpouring of posts. Hence the overload. Most likely
because of
the academic break around Christmas time Hugh is not in Washington to
interfere. We must
be patients.

        Again, wishing everybody a very merry holiday season and a happy new ye
a
 r,

        Eva Balogh

> >         HOW COME
> >
> > Let's face it -- English is a crazy language.  There is no egg in
> > eggplant,
> > nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple.  English
> > muffins
> > weren't invented in England or French fries in France.  Sweetmeats are
> > candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat.
> >
> > We take English for granted.  But if we explore its paradoxes, we find
> > that
> > quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is
> > neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.
> >
> > And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't
> > groce
> > and hammers don't ham?  If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the
> > plural
> > of booth beeth?  One goose, 2 geese.  So one moose, 2 meese?  One index,
> > 2 indices?
> >
> > Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend, that
> > you
> > comb through anals of history but not a single annal?  If you have a
> > bunch of odds and ends and get ride of all but one of them, what do you
> > call it?
> >
> > If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught?  If a vegetarian eats
> > vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?  If you wrote a letter,
> > perhaps
> > you bote your tongue?
> >
> > Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an
> > asylum for the verbally insane.  In what language do people recite at a
> > play and play at a recital?  Ship by truck and send cargo by ship?  Have
> > noses that run and feet that smell?  Park on driveways and drive on
> > parkways?
> >
> > How can slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and
> > wise guy are opposites?  How can overlook and oversee be opposites,
> > while
> > quite a lot and quite a few are alike?  How can the weather be hot as
> > hell one day and cold as hell another?
> >
> > Have you noticed that we talk about certain things only when they are
> > absent?  Have you ever seen a horseful carriage or a strapful gown?  Met
> > a sung hero or experienced requited love?  Have you ever run into
> > someone
> > who was combobulated, gruntled, ruly or peccable?  And where are all
> > those
> > people who ARE spring chickens or who would ACTUALLY hur a fly?
> >
> > And how come when you run into someone, you don't end up inside them,
> > and they sometimes get hurt, but sometimes you never really hit them at
> > all?  And how can you "run" into them when you're walking?
> >
> > You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your
> > house
> > can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling
> > it out and in which an alarm clock goes off by going on.
> >
> > English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the
> > creativity of the human race (which, of course, isn't a race at all).
> > That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the
> > lights
> > are out, they are invisible.  And why, when I wind up my watch, Is start
> > it, but when I wind up this essay, I end it?
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article >,  writes:

> Andrew I hope I am wrong, but I wonder that the reason for the apparent
>cancellation of this otherwise excellent News Group is in
>your words: "We have become a Little community of our own"
>News groups usually are for the benefit of a larger public
>instead of a small number of people where cross fertilization
>of ideas is inhibited by conscious or subconscious elitist tendencies.
>Of course the result is that the 'product becomes stale' and is not
>marketable.

This newsgroup isn't a marketable commodity and your response smacks of
cynicism unleavened by any real familiarity with the way this madhouse
operates. If you want to jump in and contribute, nobody's going to stop
you and almost everybody will welcome you. Our posters have a wide range
of divergent opinions on Hungarian politics, culture, current events, etc.

Speaking of elitism, you obviously subscribe to the "subconscious" kind,
since only an elitist or an outright dumb-ass would harbor the illusion
that Internet newsgroups are for large audiences of any kind (no matter
what that elusive and undefined quantity may be). This newsgroup's
audience is severely restricted by the economic (gots to have money to own
the computer equipment and pay for the on-line time), technical (gots to
know how to find the newsgroup and make that computer equipment work) and
topic (gots to want to involve oneself in a newsgroup focused on Hungary)
constraints imposed by the medium itself.

>
>In any case I do hope that things will turn out.
No you don't. Fork you and the flamebait you rode in on, you insincere
twerp.
Sam Stowe

>
>                               O. Mark Fiorini
>
>






"Alright, that's it! I've had it up
to here with that grieving chicken
widow crap!..."
-- Ren Hoek

Aniko Dunford > wrote:

>Still I can't understand why Zoli or Jozsi
>would not reply to requests as to what may be going on.

I have read on HIX that Jozsi Hollosi is in Hungary for the holidays.
This explains that (and the fact that HIX papers were somewhat late or
missing lately). Zoli Fekete was very quiet lately, possibly he is
also out of town.

Gabor D. Farkas

Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>
>
>
> What pleases me no end is that, despite our frequent verbal
> scrimmages, we have become a little community of our own.
>
> Nice feeling. Even for a real (Christmas) Scrooge like me.
>
> The Best of Holiday to all!
>
> Bandi

 Andrew I hope I am wrong, but I wonder that the reason for the apparent
cancellation of this otherwise excellent News Group is in
your words: "We have become a Little community of our own"
News groups usually are for the benefit of a larger public
instead of a small number of people where cross fertilization
of ideas is inhibited by conscious or subconscious elitist tendencies.
Of course the result is that the 'product becomes stale' and is not
marketable.

In any case I do hope that things will turn out.

                               O. Mark Fiorini

I woul like to know about the rock opera/musical  ISTVAN A KIRALY...what is the
translation?  Who was Istvan?
Can anyone tell me about where I can contact the people involved with Hungarian
musicals, such as the group
Rockaszinhaz?

Gratefully from an Amercan fan of Hungarian musicals.

This is a test, sent to bit.listserv.hungary.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone (if you get it).

Gabor D. Farkas

Everybody!

        I am almost certain that HUNGARY will be resurrected but in the
meantime you may want to make your life easier and download from the
Internet "Free Agent." Just go to one of your favorite search programs
and type in Free Agent and I am sure that he will find the address
from where you can download it. Free Agent is free and is very good.
It makes things a great deal easier. You can hook it up to your
browser and life is almost as good as it used to be with HUNGARY in
e-mail form. I am just afraid that we are going to lose some of our
friends: I haven't seen Joe or Eva D. Andy Kozma just wrote to me and
I will tell him about bitnet.hungary.

        By the way, I will also write to Gabor Farkas and tell him about
bitnet.hungary. I am also thinking that Andras Kornai and Gabor
Fencsik might know what's going on with HUNGARY. They are usually very
well informed.

        Now that I found you I will keep you informed.

        Eva Balogh

"Johanne L. Tournier" > wrote:

>I would also like to echo Bandi's sentiments that despite on-going
>tiffs, we have become a virtual community. It is a rather nice feeling -
>maybe there is some good to come out of our deprivation, after all, if
>we are brought to a realization of how special this community is.

        I agree with you, guys. I miss all of you, even Mr. Lippai. (Well, not
quite!)

        I wish all of you a very, very happy holiday season, Eva B.

I would exchange e-texts by mail in literature and philosophy.

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