In >  (Victor) writes:

>The rumors are not unsubtsntiated. I have personally read it in the 
>German magazine "der Spiegel" in 1976, soon after the Montreal 
>summer Olympics, sometime during the late summer or early fall of 
>that year.  I had a German colleague who showed me the article 
>originally.  According to the article, it was Ceaucescu personally 
>who ordered the name change.  Also, according to the same article
>her birthname was Kemenes, Anna.  Those who doubt this, can (I'm
>sure) substantiate this by digging up the original article from the 
>archives of "Der Spiegel" - it probably is available online.

And it never occured to you that the contents of the article (assuming
that the article actually existed) was complete bullshit.  The part
with Ceausescu ordering the name change is plain ludicrous, especially
to those who followed Nadia's raise before she acquired world celebrity
at Montreal.

BTW, how comes Ceausescu didn't order Nadia's coaches, Martha and Bela
Karoly to change their names, too?

Dan
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Email:  
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

Mr.Ciuca,

You should have realized by now that I couldn't care less what you
think about Cumans or Pechenegs. But if the question "why ?" wonders
through your mind, you will find the answer mostly in your April 24th
"Argument." 

There you said:

>Some people belonging to the Neo-Nazi and revisionist cercles in 
>Hungary and abroad and some people among those 1.6 million Magyars 
>from Romania sustain exactly the same propagandistic lies.

dictating  that is either your "truth" or the neo-Nazi label, and
denying the right to a different opinion.

Someone, who would be labeled as a neo-Nazi revisionist according to
your definition, once wrote:

"The true patriot is not he who seeks to denature the 
facts and to deceive himself, and the scientist forgets his duty if he
does not tell the truth no matter how painful it may be". (O.
Densusianu; Histoire de la langue roumaine,  1901)

and you should seriously meditate at his  words.
 
Somehow prophetically, you also added:

>In Romania there is a proverb: "Each bird on its own language dies",
 
>even if the "bird" is a "doctor in science" (let's remembe
r 
>Moliere's "doctors in science" 

Isn't so that it cuts both ways?

Liviu Iordache

Nice post.

In article >, T. Kocsis > wrote
:

> In article > T.M.Lutas,
>  writes:

> >They all tend to focus on
> >ethnic instead of ideological and economic explanations for problems
> >which I also do not agree with.
> 
> The lines of Hungarian minority's  engagement in politics will change
> considerably when this autonomy-whatever stuff will be solved. 

Winning this autonomy battle is no guarantee that Hungarian political
strategy will change. If history is any teacher it will lead to more
extreme examples of the same strategy. Most successful political movements
of whatever stripe, good or bad, look for a model of success and then 
push it until it doesn't work anymore. Take US democrats and social 
security. Or US republicans and anti-communism.

> Then
> it will sink back to regional level. I agree on however that Hungarians
> tactically should be concentrate more on individual rights of freedom,

Substitute tactically with strategically and I'm right with you.

> they would profit a lot from the decentralization of the gov't. It seems
> to me that they want privileges without getting those fundamental in-
> dividual rights of liberal democracy in which they would share their
> goals with the majority.

I think this pisses of Romanian reformers more than anything else. If 
the government is trampling on everyone's rights it seems that some 
hungarians protest only the denial of rights to hungarians and to hell
with the rest of us. This is no way to successfully oppose tyranny and
just lets the neo-communists engage in one more round of divide and 
conquer.

> >Do you have a problem with this
> >opinion that politics should not be ruled by ethnic divisions ?
> 
> Not at all, but as I expressed above, the recent situation  is not the
> fault of the minority.  The initiative is not and never was on their
> side. 

I'll do my best to reign in PUNR/PRM stupidities if you do the same with
your side OK? If we all could agree to act like this I think the ethnic
tension pot would cool considerably.

> And I don't think that the Romanian liberals has a big chance without
> a good compromise with the minorities. A strongly ethnical polariza-
> tion of national politics  will always make a  good excuse to the na-
> tional right to gain ground and block the liberals. For an ethnic  Hun-
> garian politician an uncompromising  liberal political line  is much
> worse than the recent  nationalistic, because the latter keeps the Hun-
> garians tightly together. So if you want them on your side you
> have to offer something otherwise they will nicely  mess up your
> plans.

The nationalists in Romania are mostly on the left, not the right.
I agree that we on the right (I'm PNT-cd) need to form bridges to 
the hungarian minority. Group rights are out of the question because
they simply don't work and are just setting the stage for future pogroms.
If looking for a strong, economically healthy, socially stable Romania
isn't enough, what is?

DB

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In article >, Victor > wrote:
>
>The rumors are not unsubtsntiated. I have personally read it in the 
>German magazine "der Spiegel" in 1976, soon after the Montreal 
>summer Olympics, sometime during the late summer or early fall of 
>that year.  I had a German colleague who showed me the article 
>originally.  According to the article, it was Ceaucescu personally 
>who ordered the name change.  Also, according to the same article
>her birthname was Kemenes, Anna.  Those who doubt this, can (I'm
>sure) substantiate this by digging up the original article from the 
>archives of "Der Spiegel" - it probably is available online.

Hmmm...  This is the first time I read something more specific about the
source of this "rumor".  But why would Nadia herself deny it?  After
all, she should know.

Joe

I HAVE PROOF THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL
                      IS BUT A SMALL PART OF ONE UNIFIED "WHOLE"

*CAN WE SEE A RAPID ADVANCEMENT IN HOW WE LIVE?

*IS THERE SOMETHING OUT THERE?

*WHAT IS A SOUL?

THE FOLLOWING TEXT CHALLENGES THESE QUESTIONS AND PROVIDES ANSWERS.  I
BELEIVE I HAVE RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING TEXT THROUGH CAREFUL CONTEMPLATION
AND,
FINALLY, ENLIGHTENMENT.  PLEASE, KEEP IN MIND, THE FOLLOWING IS ONLY AN
OPINION AND DOES NOT REFLECT THE OPINIONS OF AOL OR IT'S SUBSIDIARIES.

Have you ever heard of groups of poeple in California bending spoons with
their minds?  Have you ever seen Benny Hinn, or any other "faith healer"
on
the religious channel?  Do you listen to or watch any motivational tapes
or
have you gone to a positivity seminar?  DO YOU WONDER IF ANY OR ALL OR
THESE
ARE LEGITAMATE AND VALID?  Well I'm here to tell you that THEY ARE!! 
These
poeple have tapped into the vast power of the deep regions of the human
subconscious.

Our cranium contains an amazing array of chemicals.  Our bodies are the
world's greatest chemists.  These chemicals, combined differently, produce
each of our emotinos, feelings, attitudes, an so on.  However, what
creates
our thous "us"?  Scientists are still baffled about the
human thought process?

Every 500 years a new "world religion" is created and even more "truths"
are
revealed
to us.  If you look in history you will see the creation of Taoism,
Confucionism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and Christianity.  Each seperated
by
approximately 500 years and each carrying the same "core" set of
priciples,
but each also revealing entire new truths.  The last religion revealed to
our
world was Bahai.  It is not a well know religion however it is practiced
by
millions of poeple and is recognized as a world religion.

I am telling you this:  the reason some of us can do amazing things is
because we are doing it COLLECTIVELY.  Do we have a soul? Yes.  And what
it
is is like a radio to the entity that makes up what some choose to call
"God."  WE MAKE GOD.  EACH ONE OF US IS BUT A SMALL PART OF GOD.  AS OUR
POPULATION GROWS GOD GROWS STRONGER.  THE MORE WE THINK ABOUT EACH OTHER,
AND
THINK COLLECTIVELY, THE STRONGER GOD GROWS.  This is why Beny Hinn is
real.
Is it him that healing thousands of people? No.  It's our collective soul,
which we call God, doing it.  It is because hundreds of people, in
addition
to thousands watching, are thinking that that little girl on stage is
going
to be healed.

We need to stop thinking about science and try this.  Collectively, we can
do
amazing things.  If every human being on the face of the earth were to
think
about one thing.....it would happen ...  no matter how great that thing
was.
This is what "witches" do.  Is it wirtchcraft, no.... different groups
have
been tapping into this collective soul for thousands of years in thousands
of
different ways.  We see it in history time and time again. 

I need to start spreading this word and I felt it best to start here ....
If you read this note please copy it and email me with the word "I
understand."  At this point you will receive normal, weekly "group
correspondence
with more about what we need to do.  You will also receive information on
when (a specific time) to think aobut a certain concept.  When our
"collective soul" grows large enough we will truely be able to put the
entity
we call "God" to work for the greater good. 


Brian Mayhall

I lived in Hungary after 1945 and I can tell you that generally speaking
apartments were not bugged. In fact I don't know anyone personally whose
apartment was bugged. I suppose you had to be some important suspect
before your apartment would be bugged.

In >,  () writes:
>In article >, Nagy Peter > wrote:
>>
>>fentiek alapjan, eleg siman dutyiba vagy a bitora ("ahol nem arthatnak
>>tobbet", gratulalok!)  vagnal mindenkit, aki nem pont a te fuledbe
>>huzza.
>
>Eszement szivarok, vergozos elkepzelesek?  Mi az, magadbol indulsz ki?
>Ugyan mar emlits meg parat az en vergozos elkepzeleseimbol?

Parancsolj:

  >Remelem a
  >kovetkezo valasztason egy valodi, jobboldali kormany kerul hatalomra,
  >s bepotolja az MDF kormany tortenelmi mulasztasat, s akkor az ilyen
  >szemtlada besugok olyan helyre kerulnek, ahol nem arthatnak tobbet.
  >[...]
  >Pannon J.

>>Milyen furcsa! hogy a demokracia tobbek kozott eppen attol az ami, hogy
>>olyan alakok szolasszabadsagat garantaljuk, akik ezt - ha hatalomra
>>kerulnenek - tolunk javareszt megvonnak.
>
>Hat ez jo!  Te es "elftarsaid" tamogatjak Odor cenzurazasat, s erre van
>pofad egy ellene szot emelot azzal vadolni amiben te magad vagy bunos!
>Tipikus foxi-maxi dialektika.  Bravo!

Elftarsad neked a neniked terde kalacsa.  Otromba bugocsiga, miben
vagyok en neked bunos?

>Pannon J.

Nagy Peter

Everybody Fuck Otto J. Makela wrote:
> 
> Everybody Fuck Otto J. Makela

  Everybody  F*** the ditto spammer

In article >, T. Kocsis > wrote
:

> In article > Wolfgang Rackebrandt,
>  writes:
> >>"Lacatus" is locksmith in Romanian
> 
> >Yes, its origin is the Hungarian word 'lakatos'.
> 
> Which is interestingly coming from French (loquet). 
> The word was borrowed long ago, in 11-12th century
> together with several other locksmiths words..
> That time several Hungarian town was established
> with French/Wallon habitants like Eger.

Which probably means that both Romanian and Hungarian variants came 
independent of each other. Unless of course you wish to make the case
that gallicization is something we should add to the discussion mix...
B-)

It's nice to have a reminder that other influences exist outside these
conflicts.

DB

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In article >  writes:

[ evidence of braindeath deleted ]

>I'd rather not.

Wouldn't it be better to delete the crap rather than wasting more
bandwidth? If you're not going to delete it, just mail it back to the
idiot that posted it in the first place. It doesn't belong in public.

Joe

In article >,
Kadar Gyorgy  > wrote:
| 	Lectoris salutem!
| 
| 	Thanks for the question of > and the
| explanations given by > and
| >. During the weekends I am not able to read and
| answer internet postings, but I see that finally the question was
| answered and no real harm was caused to the participants.
| 
| 	The harm is still being caused to the citoyens of Budapest. I have
| not heard about any answer to the offer of the Union of Hungarian
| Symphonic Orchestrae: 
| 	- they are ready to perform a free concert without asking royalty 
|  	- they are ready to perform solemn Hungarian music selected from
| the works of Erkel, Liszt, Bartok and Kodaly
| 
| 	- I support their offer, because I do not want to mourn the
| 1100 anniversary of the birth of Hungary with a funeral mass, 
| even if that is the most beautyful funeral music of human history and 
| even if the performing artists are the highest-paid (best-supported by the
| Budapest mayor) ensemble
| 
| 	- but only the June 30 Requiem concert is scheduled so far, the
| free, June 29, Hungarian-composed-music concert depends on the answer of
| Demszky to the open letter of the UHSO
| 	- and if Demszky's answer proves to be positive (I doubt) then 
| I will be glad to withdraw any vulgar-looking phrase of my Friday posting
| (...if...then nobody should mourn at all the coming end of his reign).
| 
| 	May God bless us all...			kadargyorgy

I still fail to comprehend how a memorial mass on Heroes'
square for our national heroes (among them the leaders of
the Hungarian tribes whose statues iare on the square
itself, and who could be considered our founding fathers)
is an inappropriate way of celebrating the 1100 year history
of Hungarians, and how it was cause for such fury.

Istvan

OK. Why?

I would be happy to e-mail you the details.
--

In >  (T.
M.Lutas) writes:

>In article >, T. Kocsis > wrot
e:
>
>> In article > Wolfgang Rackebrandt,
>>  writes:
>> >>"Lacatus" is locksmith in Romanian
>> 
>> >Yes, its origin is the Hungarian word 'lakatos'.
>> 
>> Which is interestingly coming from French (loquet). 
>> The word was borrowed long ago, in 11-12th century
>> together with several other locksmiths words..
>> That time several Hungarian town was established
>> with French/Wallon habitants like Eger.
>
>Which probably means that both Romanian and Hungarian variants came 
>independent of each other. 

Not very likely, because you'll have a hard time explaining the "us"
suffix.  If the Romanian word came independently, it would have been,
most likely, "lacatar" or something like this.

Dan
--
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CERN, CN Division
Email:  
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

Mike Andreas > wrote:

:Everybody Fuck Otto J. Makela wrote:
:> 
:> Everybody Fuck Otto J. Makela
:
:  Everybody  F*** the ditto spammer

Been there.  Done that.  I contacted the folks he posted through.

With any luck, this will kill this massively crossposted thread.

Followups redirected.

--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to 
    live in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Dryden
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
 -- I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.

Laszlo Katkits > writes:

>Wolf!  (Or maybe by some: LUPU? :-))

Or Farkas? ;-)

>So you are just adressing the wrong target. Please
>get informed before you get involved!

Sorry. I didn't mean to target anybody. I was just interested, and yours 
was the first posting of the thread that I found on my newsserver.

Regards, Wolf
-- 
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| Wolf Rackebrandt |  | http://www.snafu.de/~lupus/ |
+------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+

g > writes:

>Clusen- or Klusen was very well possible, since in medieval German (and still 
in 
>so-called Low German [Niederdeutsch]) you've got a long "u" instead of the dip
htong 
>"au", such as in "Haus -- Hus", "auf-uf" etc. Just ask Wolf Rackeberg (haste u
ffjepasst, 
>Wolfi? ;-)

;-)

>(Also note these semantic aspects in German: (1) Klaus < Nikolaus (the name) -
- along 
>with  (2) Klause = closet; cell, hermitage; mountain-pass, defile)

So do you think then that the German 'Clusenberg'/'Klausenburg' is older
than the Hungarian 'Kolozsvar'? I always thought the German variety of the
town's name was just a phonetical germanization of the older Hungarian
name. 

Bye, Wolf
-- 
+------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+
| Wolf Rackebrandt |  | http://www.snafu.de/~lupus/ |
+------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+

Everybody Fuck Otto J. Makela wrote:
> 
> Everybody   Fuck Otto J. Makela
> Everybody   Fuck Otto J. Makela
HELLO EVERYONE!

This is just an excerpt, but something has to be done against 
those stupid mail bombs! This applies in particular to those 
alt.*  hierachies. Don't you think so?

Ciao,
Andreas Mitsis

..sig no sig today

In article >,  (Wolfgang
Rackebrandt) wrote:

>  (Dan Pop) writes:
> 
> >"Lacatus" is locksmith in Romanian
> 
> Yes, its origin is the Hungarian word 'lakatos'.

Didn't I just see a hungarian put the origin as French?

The english word lock is also put as having its origins in French.
Now it is possible that a romance speaking people (us Romanians) 
got this romance word through the intermediary of the finno-ugric 
Hungarian but I don't see any particular reason to assume it. It 
is more likely that we got it directly from the french or the romans
unless someone knows what the latin for lock is and it isn't related.

DB

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g > writes:

>Oh, verzeih mir, dass ich Deinen werten Namen verunstaltet hab'.
>Keine Absicht.

No prob.

Wolf
-- 
+------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+
| Wolf Rackebrandt |  | http://www.snafu.de/~lupus/ |
+------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+

T. Kocsis > writes:

>>'lakatos'.

>Which is interestingly coming from French (loquet). 
>The word was borrowed long ago, in 11-12th century
>together with several other locksmiths words..

Hm... I didn't know that. But then, perhaps, it might actually have been
borrowed simultaneously by Hungarians and Romanians (?). 

Wolf
-- 
+------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+
| Wolf Rackebrandt |  | http://www.snafu.de/~lupus/ |
+------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+

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> > "Reading about jazz is like kissing your sister"
> >                      -a librarian somewhere USAWE DON'T CARE TO SO SHUT THE
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> UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is Otto J. Makela?

Lectoris salutem!

	Thanks for the question of > and the
explanations given by > and
>. During the weekends I am not able to read and
answer internet postings, but I see that finally the question was
answered and no real harm was caused to the participants.

	The harm is still being caused to the citoyens of Budapest. I have
not heard about any answer to the offer of the Union of Hungarian
Symphonic Orchestrae: 
	- they are ready to perform a free concert without asking royalty 
 	- they are ready to perform solemn Hungarian music selected from
the works of Erkel, Liszt, Bartok and Kodaly

	- I support their offer, because I do not want to mourn the
1100 anniversary of the birth of Hungary with a funeral mass, 
even if that is the most beautyful funeral music of human history and 
even if the performing artists are the highest-paid (best-supported by the
Budapest mayor) ensemble

	- but only the June 30 Requiem concert is scheduled so far, the
free, June 29, Hungarian-composed-music concert depends on the answer of
Demszky to the open letter of the UHSO
	- and if Demszky's answer proves to be positive (I doubt) then 
I will be glad to withdraw any vulgar-looking phrase of my Friday posting
(...if...then nobody should mourn at all the coming end of his reign).

	May God bless us all...			kadargyorgy