Roman Kanala ) wrote:
: But, Canada is not part of US and the propagation of fascism, national
: and racial intolerance and spreading hatred is forbidden by the law.
:
Look who's talking!  I wonder why you haven't been caught yet.


: Mr. Frajkor has committed a number of illegal acts and it's correct to 
: bring his activities to the attention of whom it may concern. 
:
Look who's talking! I think it's time your activities on the 'Net have
been examined.

 
: That Mr. Frajkor is continuing his lies (he has been frequently caught
: when knowingly lying and continues doing it again), that he is knowingly 
: spreading them, that he is spin-doctoring the history, all that are 
: expressions of his intellectual, scientific and moral failures that may be 
: of interest to the Ethical Commission at his University. However, acts
: against the Law are reprehensible and can be taken to a court.
:
The above applies to Mr. Roman Kanala and his Magyar K.K.K. (Kanala
Kleansing Klan) dedicated to assimilation and abuse of neighbouring
nations.

 
: number of mistakes. I have spent a couple of days reading the old
: stuff and will document some of his lapsus. 
:
Shove it up yours.  I don't need commercials for your next posting. 



Do you, Roman Kanala, re-read your postings before you send them off?
Can you objectively say there is no hatered in them?

First, clean up your own house!

Mr. Roman Kanala and his followers (Magyar K.K.K.) are continuously 
spreading hate and anti-Slovakian and anti-Romenian propaganda on
this newsgroup.  They are NOT speaking for the majority of Magyars.
Their opinion is NOT the popular opinion in Hungary.  Please rememebr
that when meeting your next Magyar friend.  NOT ALL MAGAYRS ARE 
MEMBERS OF K.K.K. (Kanala Kleansing Klan).

: A very "productive" professional post. 
: I think this girl needs help.  And I don't think one has to be a dipl.
: psych. from York U. to recognize that.  
: 
: Karl Pollak
: Richmond, British Columbia
: 
I guess none of you two goofs didn't read my disclaimer on the bottom.
Mr Lewinsky and I have exchanged a few e-mails prior to this, and to my
surprise (NOT!) he kept on insulting me every chance he got.
I have noticed that it is the only language he speaks, so in order for him
to understand, I used the same in this posting.
Next time, read the WHOLE  article, not just the lines that you like.

Karl Pollak ) wrote:
: 
:  ,...blah, blah, blah....
: 
: Karl Pollak
: Richmond, British Columbia
: 

Are you still here, chicken? YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME?
If you object to any of my postings, feel free to respond.
Publicly or privately: yu126468
And I'll do the same.

You know where you can shove this:

Karl Pollak wrote this in response to my friendly e-mail:
> If you ever send me another unsolicited e-mail, I will file a formal
> complaint against you.  I have no interest in engaging in private
> conversations with anyone who threatens people on the Net with anything,
> particularly with physical violence as you have.

You are such a poor loser, Karl!!!!!!

Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>> There.  Now we are even
>
>Not quite. We're in NATO and Hungary ain't.

Oh well, it's only a temporary situation.

>At any rate Canada sent its youths to die and get maimed in two European
>wars.

Well, they can thank it to England.  They should have become
independent and stay neutral like Sweeden.

>however I am reticent to see it expand, because it means an enlarged
>responsibility. I prefer to keep responsibilities to a minimum.

Is this another way of saying that you are irresponsible, or that the
boat is full?

Joe

) writes:
>>   BUDAPEST, Aug 28 (Reuter) - The Hungarian parliament will hold an
>>extraordinary session on September 3 to discuss a treaty which Hungary plans 
to
>>sign with Romania next month, Zoltan Gal, Chairman of the Parliament said on
>>Wednesday.  The accord, which lays new foundations for their relationship, is
>>vital for both countries' ambitions to join NATO and the European Union. 
> 
> Abandoning fellow Hungarians to their fate to please those powers that
> caused that fate in the first place is in my opinion foolish and not
> worth to get into NATO in the first round.
> Joe Pannon

While Hungary may perceive an advantage to membership in NATO, I see
little advantage for NATO to expand its area of interest. Canada is an
original member of NATO and I feel to see any advantage to Canada if
Hungary became a member -- I'm more inclined at the present moment to
assess Hungary as a liability.

In article > T. Kocsis, 
writes:
> Valoszinuleg ezert is bukott meg, mert volt
>kepes egy egyeni arcot kialakitani.

Hat ez itt "nem volt kepes" akar lenni. A "nem" kimaradt.
Ha mar ugyis javitanom kellett, hozzafuznek az elobbiek-
hez meg annyit, hogy a  'populizmus' altalaban va'dkent
szok elhangzani otthon, es eros baloldali/harmadikutas/
szocialisztikus felhangjai vannak. 

Tamas

In article >  (Kristina Szure
k) writes:
>From:  (Kristina Szurek)
>Subject: Re: About Slovak fascism, general remarks
>Date: 4 Sep 1996 12:49:53 GMT

>Roman Kanala ) wrote:
>: But, Canada is not part of US and the propagation of fascism, national
>: and racial intolerance and spreading hatred is forbidden by the law.
>:
>Look who's talking!  I wonder why you haven't been caught yet.


>: Mr. Frajkor has committed a number of illegal acts and it's correct to 
>: bring his activities to the attention of whom it may concern. 
>:
>Look who's talking! I think it's time your activities on the 'Net have
>been examined.

> 
>: That Mr. Frajkor is continuing his lies (he has been frequently caught
>: when knowingly lying and continues doing it again), that he is knowingly 
>: spreading them, that he is spin-doctoring the history, all that are 
>: expressions of his intellectual, scientific and moral failures that may be 
>: of interest to the Ethical Commission at his University. However, acts
>: against the Law are reprehensible and can be taken to a court.
>:
>The above applies to Mr. Roman Kanala and his Magyar K.K.K. (Kanala
>Kleansing Klan) dedicated to assimilation and abuse of neighbouring
>nations.

> 
>: number of mistakes. I have spent a couple of days reading the old
>: stuff and will document some of his lapsus. 
>:
>Shove it up yours.  I don't need commercials for your next posting. 



>Do you, Roman Kanala, re-read your postings before you send them off?
>Can you objectively say there is no hatered in them?

>First, clean up your own house!

>Mr. Roman Kanala and his followers (Magyar K.K.K.) are continuously 
>spreading hate and anti-Slovakian and anti-Romenian propaganda on
>this newsgroup.  They are NOT speaking for the majority of Magyars.
>Their opinion is NOT the popular opinion in Hungary.  Please rememebr
>that when meeting your next Magyar friend.  NOT ALL MAGAYRS ARE 
>MEMBERS OF K.K.K. (Kanala Kleansing Klan).

Hey, look at Kristina! She's a PROFESSIONAL, you know?

Rosta

HipCat > wrote:

>Tony, Tony!

>1.  The Father of US Aerospace is Todor (Theodore) von Karman who was
>born in Budapest and emigrated to the US.  

Absolutely. A typical Hungarian name.  Probably a second cousin to St.
Stephen.

>2.  Pulitzer was born in Hungary. 

>3.   Szilard (and Wigner and Teller, also Hungarians) 

So far, the only thing you have managed to demonstrate is that the
brainiest "Hungarians" have found it impossible to live in their
native country and moved someplace else to achieve their greatness.

If I were a Hungarian Hurrah-Patriot, I don't think I would boast
about it too much.
>"Why Can't We All Just Get Along?" 
>Rodney King, now there's a role model!  

Because some of us insist on dividing people into Hungarians,
Roumanians, Americans and anything else and forgetting to look at them
as PEOPLE.

>And I am NOT your Fellow.

Nor, mine, I assure you.
Karl Pollak
Richmond, British Columbia
Visit  http://www.frasevalley.com/routes

| country. On the basis of my birth I am a citizen of Hungary. This is 
| separate from being of hungarian nationality. My question is what are the 
| rights and duties of a hungarian citizen even one living outside Hungary. 
| INHO one of the rights of citizenship in a general sense is the right to 
| vote.
| I would be very interested to heare opinions on this matter 
| regards
| Denes

Theoretical legal or practical? For example someone
mentioned that unless there is an agreement against double
taxation you may have to pay taxes both in Australia and
HUngary. Of course for me this would mean that all in all I
would have a tax rate higher then 100%. 

Istvan

Hugh Agnew > wrote:
>
>It isn't only the Hungarians that "act this way"... Just kibbitz on the
>soc.culture.czecho-slovak newsgroup for an earful of the relationships or
>lack thereof between the emigre Czech community and the current government
>and president... 

I was aware about the Slovaks and the Czechs having similarly
discriminating citizenship laws. I'm not sure if this is due to their
recent divorce and the confusion that followed regarding citizenship
status though.  If it turned out that Austria also does not allow her
non-resident citizens to vote, I'd suspect some kind of Habsburg era
"virus" to be the culprit. ;-)

Joe

In article > BLA,  writes:
>Tolgyessy Peter, az SZDSZ egykori elnoke es frakciovezetoje az
>orszagos tanacs szombati ulese utan bejelentette: kilep a partbol

>Magat tovabbra is szabadelvu, jobbkozep politikusnak tartja.

Tovabbra is jobbkozep..... Mindjar' eldobom magam.

Tamas

In article >,
Gabor Barsai > wrote:
| In article >,
| Istvan Szucs > wrote:
| >In article >,
| >Gabor Barsai > wrote:
| >| In article >,
| >| Istvan Szucs > wrote:
| >| >In article >,
| >| > > wrote:
| >|
| >| So what? If they still have their Hungarian citizenship, or if they lost t
he
| ir
| >| citizenship not from their own fault, I think they should vote. Why are yo
u
| >| trying to exclude them?
| >
| >
| >I have outlined some of my reasons. Please address them if you want
| >to discuss them, instead   of just ignoring them.
| 
| I think I did. They are still citizens of the country, thus why deny them the
| right to vote? To me, that is the basic issue. Or, are you going on the path 
of
| Wally Keeler, who determines who can represent some culture based on his
| personal likes and dislikes; ie. I don't like the way they
live, think...etc.,


Nope. I think that those who don't live in Hungary are not
really stakeholders, and those who are not stakeholders
should not get a say in making decisions. This is why if
they choose to live abroad they should not vote for elected
officials in Hungary. If they don't share the consequences
they should not have direct control over the decisionmaking.


| thus they can't represent that culture or thus they can't 
| extrapolation of this would be to deny, say gypsies, the right to vote, since
| they don't live the Hungarian reality, either. 

While I don't agree with what Wally is saying (based on your
representation - I had him on killfile for a long time, so I
did not read the original) Gypsies do live in the Hungarian
reality. They live in Hungary and are directly affected by
the consequences of the elections. 


Or say, the ethnic Romanians,
| since they live in a different culture. To me, what you say is very
| exclusionary.

If I said what you think I said it would be. They - if they
live in Hungary - live in the Hungarian reality. Again -
they are stakeholders. Ethnicity is not an issue.

| IMHO, a better criteria than just that "they are living in a
| different culture" or that "they are not living in Hungarian reality" is
| needed, since these are very subjective.

Maybe it is not perfectly clear. By Hungarian reality I
did not mean what what you think I meant. Ethnic Hugarians
Gypsies and whoever else are PART of the Hungarian
reality. What I was trying to say means two things:

1) People in Hungary have different influences then Joe in
California. By culture - I meant something broader then
ethnic culture. I meant that the set of influences that help
determine goals, decisions etc. Joe's sentiments are clearly
different then those of Hungarians in Hungary - and he
apparently is darn proud of it. 

2) Joe might feel about his uncle Jeno if he loses his
pension because of his choice of gov't but he is not a
stakeholder in the sense his uncle Jeno is, so his uncle
Jeno can vote for someoen who will take his pension away if
he chooses to, but Joe should not.

 
| Perhaps a better argument for voting suspension may be:
| 1, They don't suffer the consequences.
| 
| or
| 
| 2, They haven't spent 60 days in Hungary over the last 5 years. (Or make up
| your own numbers.)

This is pretty close to my point.
| 
| For 1, it's true that the outside voter won't suffer the consequences, but th
is
| to me implies that the outside voter, according to you, intentionally votes f
or
| the worst (which may or may not be true). 

It doesn't imply that. It means that if people in Hungary
are stupid they can mess up their own lives., Joe however
won't suffer the consequences so he really shouldn't 
be able to (even if he doesn't do it intentionally).

I think it is quite reasonable that only stakeholders should
have control. It is quite common in structured
decisionmaking. I would also add, that others can be
consulted - Joe should talk to his uncle Jeno if he wants to
influence him, but if uncle Jeno thinks that Joe is a
know-it-all who has no idea about what he wants then he
should be free to ignore what Joe says. 


| I don't think this is enough reason
| to deny them the right to vote.
| 
| For 2, I think this is probably the best criteria to deny expatriates the rig
ht
| to vote. If you can't make enough time to spend a few days in Hungary, then
| tough. Your voting rights will be suspended.

I think only allowing people to vote in Hungary is just as
good an approximation of the same principle.

I think our opinions are closer then you think/thought.
 
Istvan

Istvan Szucs > wrote:
>
>How about the brainwashing of the American culture? COuld
>you say that that is more obvious to those outside of the
>American system?

Now just what would be the manifestations of this American brainwashing?
What about those of us, who are selective about what is good and what is
bad about American culture?  I happen to know quite a few of these among
Hungarians I know here.

>Like it or not (and probably neither of us do) the Kadar
>system is part of the hungarian culture - politically
>psychologically etc. It would take a lot of reverse
>brainwashing to get rid of it - or TIME. Now putting the
>controls in the hands of those brainwashed by american
>culture who think often differently then those who vote from
>home and who have to live with the decisions is what I
>disagree with.

Of course you are taking a false premise again and arguing with that.
Because 1) you assume giving control to those who were brainwashed in
the American culture (which is a far cry from suggesting giving all
Hungarian citizens the right to vote), 2) that we are all brainwashed
here. 

BTW, what is so good now for Hungarians living with their own decision
in '94 that could be made worse by allowing all citizens to vote?

>I've only seen Dollar Papa do that. Could you  mention some
>in the recnt past (let's say 20 years) where Hungarian
>exiles were ridiculed?

One of those silly questions from you again ...  Who the hell can
remember the titles of all those radio and TV "kabares" and Hofy skits
after all those years?  It's not the titles, but the images that stick.

> (I only know one instance, where not 
>exiled Hungarians in general were ridiculed, but one person
>- who came to Hungary made up an award named after herself,
>and held a nationally televised gala celebrating herself
>with the award winners.

I think you are referring to Elisabeth Speter, of whom almost nobody
heard in the diaspora until her memorable appearance on the Hungarian
scene.  I don't know if she was more ridiculous or all those actors
making fools of themselves for her money.

>I didn't have this preconception, although since I came to
>the states I have seen more and more of these characters,
>acting as a know-it-all, talking in a condescneding tone
>about anything in Hungary or from Hungary. SPeaking how
>great they are throwing around dogmas of the american
>culture, (how graterful I should be for being here, how 
>wrong it is to say Szia, or other expressions that are used
>in current Hungarian, not the one they knew when they left,
>how Hungarians are brainwashed, and how anything happening
>in Hungary is inferior to the Great American Democracy.

I think you are referring to recent debates here and are still suffering
from constipation of all those sour grapes.

>It must have been hard, since your previous letter once again
>outlined that you knw better what is going on  in Hungary
>and who should do what then the Hungarians themselves. 
>Of course from  here everything *does* look simple, but
>wouldn't you say that would qualify you as a know it all? 

Heck, I didn't even mean myself included among those experts here, so
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. All I was saying that
not extending voting rights to non-resident Hungarian citizens is
insulting to us abroad and is an aberration among democratic countries.
This also shuts of Hungary from a large pool of expertise in the West.
Expertise that doesn't just want to rape the country economically, but
genuinely help.

>| The other factor operating here is an overabundance of Hungarian pride,
>| no matter if there is a good reason for it or not.  
>
>Thank God the liberalis in Hungary are abolishing it ;)
>wouldn't you agree? :)

Only to the point that they managed to make pessimism and the feeling of
helplessness overwhelming national feelings.

>Yeah.. I guess if you could vote... we would have a much
>quicked growth in Hungary as well... Could you elaborate
>why?

Instead of answering your obnoxious question, I suggest you start
wondering what the heck are you doing in the US if you have such a lousy
opinion about it?  After all, you didn't come here as a refugee, but
left an already free country.  As such, you even less represent the
Hungarians at home than those of us who were forced out by a
totalitarian regime.

Joe

In article >  (Kristina Szure
k) writes:
>From:  (Kristina Szurek)
>Subject: Re: Mr. Frajkor, listowner of Slovak-L
>Date: 4 Sep 1996 19:34:27 GMT

>Karl Pollak ) wrote:
>: 
>:  ,...blah, blah, blah....
>: 
>: Karl Pollak
>: Richmond, British Columbia
>: 

>Are you still here, chicken? YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME?
>If you object to any of my postings, feel free to respond.
>Publicly or privately: yu126468
>And I'll do the same.

>You know where you can shove this:

>Karl Pollak wrote this in response to my friendly e-mail:
>> If you ever send me another unsolicited e-mail, I will file a formal
>> complaint against you.  I have no interest in engaging in private
>> conversations with anyone who threatens people on the Net with anything,
>> particularly with physical violence as you have.

>You are such a poor loser, Karl!!!!!!

I don't think so.  Miss Szurek wrote me private mail as well. While I did not 
file any complaints against her - I prefer do discuss these matters here 
publicly (exactly as they were started) - but I believe that the lack of 
arguments is not allowing to Miss Szurek to do so.

Rosta

Gabor Barsai > wrote:
>
>For 1, it's true that the outside voter won't suffer the consequences, but thi
s
>to me implies that the outside voter, according to you, intentionally votes fo
r
>the worst (which may or may not be true). I don't think this is enough reason
>to deny them the right to vote.

Well, to make this really stick, they should also force those who voted
to live with the consequences of their vote and not allowed to leave the
country.
 
>For 2, I think this is probably the best criteria to deny expatriates the righ
t
>to vote. If you can't make enough time to spend a few days in Hungary, then
>tough. Your voting rights will be suspended.

I would go for some kind of citizenship test as a precondition to
voting.  But then the same test should be applied to the homeless or
Roma in Hungary as Hungarian citizens abroad. 

BTW, what's the value of Hungarian citizenship abroad if it doesn't even
entitle the wearer to exercise the most basic right of citizenship?

Joe

Subject: UKRAINIAN SOVIET SAVAGERY TO DOGS AND CATS  
                 (was: Cruelty to homeless dogs and cats in Ukraine

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Subject:      Cruelty to homeless dogs and cats in Ukraine
From:         Leon Mishnaevski, MPA >
Date:         1996/08/29
Message-Id:   >
Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
Newsgroups:   rec.pets.dogs.rescue
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is written in order to draw your attention to the extraordinary situtation
 with homeless dogs and 
cats in Ukraine. Hopefully, somebody could provide some help or at least inform
 other people in 
Western countries about the cruelty to animals in Ukraine.

It is known that due to hard economic situation, many people (especially old pe
ople) can not afford 
themself to keep a dog or cat, which they have kept during many years. So, many
 dogs and cats 
found himself on a street, without any chance to find food or new home. One sho
uld note that there 
are no laws in any of post- Soviet countries, which can defend animals from cru
elty; it means that 
anybody can damage or kill any animal, and it is fully in correspondance with t
he acting laws. That is 
why there is a number of dogs and cats ohne paws,  eyes, tails
or with burns on the streets of Kiev; cruelty to animals is not to be punished 
in Ukraine.

Nevertheleless, many animals live. The administrations of many Ukraininan citie
s (and, in particular, 
the administration of Kiev) consider this situation as a problem which should b
e solved by any 
means.  In any city, there is such organization - `` Budka'' (it is a  state in
stitution), in which former 
criminals work usually and  which deals with killing the  homeless dogs and cat
s.

It proceeds as follows: through the city, a small lorry go; when the driver not
ices any dog or cat, he 
stops the car, catch the animal with the use of large 
tongs (in so doing, the animal becomes wounded often), and throws it in the car
, where there can be 
a number of  dogs already. The animals are packed in the small car, like stones
. Thereafter, the 
animals are delivered to a central station, where they stay without food and wa
ter, in small cages, 
dense packed by many dogs and cats, during several days. Then, they are killed:
  first, a dog is 
stuned, then one takes off its skin (the dog is yet alive, but stuned), and the
n
the dog dies itself (the people from ``Budka'' as well as many other people in 
former USSR think 
that  the skin, taken off from living dog or cat, is better - they use the skin
s for winter caps and  fur 
coat). 

(All that can be proved - there is a film, which has been demonstrated by Swiss
 TV; there are many 
publications in Russian and Ukrainian newspapers).

All trials to stop the activity of ``Budka'' both in the Soviet time  and after
 failure of USSR  have been 
failed.

Of course, there are in Kiev charitable people as well, they feed, defend the h
omeless animals, and 
keep from 3 to 10 dogs or cats in their small flats,  but they can not change t
he situation in  general. 
Unfortunately, there are also people which try to make a business on the suffer
ing of animals 
(among them, there are many official organizations, which become money, write l
arge projects, but 
do not feed or defend any  dog).

In Kiev, there is a shelter for homeless dogs (address: Otto Schmidt Str.2/A,
Tatarka, Kiev, UKRAINE).   In this shelter, there are about 200 dogs, mainly, t
he dogs which were  
rescued from the ``Budka''. 
any of them are without paws, etc. (I have photos of the shelter and dogs, and 
would be glad to 
show them; I was there in April 1996 ). The shelter is supported by only one wo
man, Galina 
D.Shiyanova.
She has not  property or money, she does not work, but she spends all her time 
with dogs. She ask 
alms on the central street of Kiev, and they (i.e. 200 dogs) live only by the a
lms. 

200  dogs eat the meat never, but only  bread, beets and water.
They live  badly, but they did not died in pain at least. As said, there are of
 the shelter, the woman, 
when she asks for alms, the dogs in the shelter, and I am ready to present  the
 photos.

Now, the administration of Kiev is going to confiscate the building of the shel
ter and to transmit it to 
the neighbouring  Orthodox Church and some businessmen. Thus, the sole shelter 
for homeless 
animals will be closed, and the dogs will be killed in ``Budka''. 


May be, if the information about the cruelty will be published in Western journ
als or newspapers, the 
Ukrainian administration would stop the confiscation of the shelter, and, hopef
ully, stop the activity 
of ``Budka''?
----------------------------


” ?

T. Kocsis > irja a SCM-on:
>Subject: Meg=E1ll az =E9sz
>Date: 3 Sep 1996 11:44:11 GMT

>In article > BLA,  writes:
>>Tolgyessy Peter, az SZDSZ egykori elnoke es frakciovezetoje az
>>orszagos tanacs szombati ulese utan bejelentette: kilep a partbol
>
>>Magat tovabbra is szabadelvu, jobbkozep politikusnak tartja.
>
>Tovabbra is jobbkozep..... Mindjar' eldobom magam.
>
>Tamas
>.
Oszt' me'r, kedves Tama's o:cse'm?=20

Legfeljebb annyi tortent, hogy T.P. pontatlanul fogalmazott: nem o lepett ki
a Pa'rtbol, hanem a Pa'rt belole, el a balfene'kre. (Hogy a Pa'rt
jobbkozepen valaha is lett volna, az kerdes, de T.P. szerette volna ott
tudni vagy oda vezetni. Es pont ez volt vele a baj.)

Emlekszel me'g, ki volt ott Antall Jozsef halalos a'gya'nal Orban Viktoron
kivul?

Gyuri

Kerdes HIX-Jozsihoz, ill. ahhoz, aki tudja (Fekete Zoli?):=20

Mi a kulonbseg a HIX-archivumban
(http://hix.mit.edu/bin/ekezet.html/hix/hixcore/senddoc/arch/) es a
gopher://g4nn.cca.vu.nl:4320/1g4nn%20group/soc.culture.magyar URL-en
olvashato listak kozott? Mindketto SCM-nek hivja magat.
=20
Az elobbire az > cimen lehet levelet kuldeni, ez o.k.=20

Melyik listara megy a > cimre kuldott
level (ha egyaltalan megy valahova)?
Gy.