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1 celebrate with us (mind)  63 sor     (cikkei)
2 Goulash gauleiter (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
3 Magyar Napi Elokeszuletek Chicagoban (mind)  76 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Eva Balogh owes several apology to Freedomfighters, (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
5 Eva Balogh character assassinates herself (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Goulash gauleiter (mind)  34 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Eva Balogh is a pathological liar (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Szucs' Toxic Contamination (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Goulash gauleiter (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
10 Freedomfigters : Szabadsagharcosok (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Goulash gauleiter (mind)  30 sor     (cikkei)
12 Exclusion (mind)  3 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Eva Balogh is a pathological liar (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
14 Yucky (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: Eva Balogh character assassinates herself (mind)  36 sor     (cikkei)
16 Magyar-Magyar Osszefogas (mind)  36 sor     (cikkei)
17 "Andras Szucs" Shoots Himself in the Foot (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
18 Re: Magyar-Magyar Osszefogas (mind)  48 sor     (cikkei)
19 Re: Hungarian stocks (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
20 Re: Eva Balogh arrived and what did she see? (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
21 Re: Eva Balogh is a pathological liar (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
22 Szucs and jive (mind)  48 sor     (cikkei)

+ - celebrate with us (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

HUNGARIANS!
                                           AND YOU DEAR READERS!
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       A world wide call from The Human Rights for Minorities in Central=20
                   Europe Society, Vancouver, B.C. to celebrate with us!
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     We invite you to celebrate with us the one thousand and one=20
hundredth=20
                 anniversary of Hungarian presence in the Carpathian basi=
n.
                On August 20th. the light of our candles will commemorate=
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the=20
      historic event when the Magyars settled in Hungary 1100 years ago. =
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We=20
                  invite you to light a candle or a lantern in your=20
window at 9=20
           p.m.according to your own time zone at the time when the=20
ceremonial=20
                       St. Stephen's day fireworks begin in Budapest.=20
                       Let this light shine forth and proclame we are
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                                            CELEBRATING!=09
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                                While the candles burn down,=20
                               let us remember  our history's=20
                         sorrows and joys, setbacks and glories.=20
        Reflect on the heroic, yet often tragic history of the Magyars:
 in 896 Magyars under command of Arpad settled in the Carpathian Basin.
                    in 1000  King Stephen received the title of=20
                           Apostolic Majesty from the pope.
                   in 1241  Mongols invaded and destroyed Hungary.
   in 1456  Janos Hunyadi repelled the Turks at Belgrade, =D1 church bell=
s=20
                  around the world toll at noon to mark this victory.
                          in 1526  Hungarians defeated at Mohacs.=20
                          The 150 years long Turkish rules begins.
    in 1686  liberation of Buda with Habsburg help from Turkish occupatio=
n.
               in 1848  revolution attempting to end the Habsburg rule.
                                in 1920  Trianon Peace Treaty:=20
                    Deprived 2/3 of the nation's sovereign territory.
              in 1956  revolution attempting end of Soviet occupation.
              in 1989  Hungarian part of iron curtain was cracked and=20
        thousands  were allowed to travel to the West and gain freedom =20
                     Eventually resulting the fall of the Berlin Wall.
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In the event of this jubilee we ask you to express your sympathy and=20
recognition =20
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Reminisce  and  Celebrate with us!  Light up the candle of your own!=20
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The Human Rights for Minorities in Central-Europe Vancouver Society  of=20
B.C.=20
                                                            =20
                                                              On behalf=20
of the society,
                                                                Tibor=20
Benke, Secretary
                                                                       =20
.
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+ - Goulash gauleiter (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article <v01510108ad9edfe3bd47@[204.156.156.118]>, the fictional entity
calling itself Andras Szucs >
scrawls:

>Some sloppier readers of this list overlooked the fact that it was
>Eva Balogh...

<Snip character assassination>

>Too bad, (for her) that she is not man enough to take responsibilty
>for her lies!

Too bad you're not man enough to use your real name when posting this
obnoxious drivel. What the hell has happened to bit.listserv.hungary? Over
the last couple of days all I'm getting are crossposts from
alt.hypocrites.left_coast and angry responses to their cowardly attacks.
Don't you have a brown shirt you need to wash and press, buddy?
Sam Stowe
+ - Magyar Napi Elokeszuletek Chicagoban (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Magyar Napi Elokeszuletek Chicagoban
> --------------------------------------------------------------
     A Fiatal Americai Magyarok Szervezete (AAYH) kezdemenyezesere, a
Chicagoi szervezetek es intezmenyek kepviseloi mult ev decembereben
elhataroztak, hogy megszerveznek egy " Magyar Napot". Ezen az Unnepsegen
fognak majd megemlekezni Magyarorszag fennallasanak 1100 Eves
Evfordulojarol.
     A tervek szerint, a rendezok a Chicagoi belvarosban levo State of
Illinois epuletben,Illinois allam kormanyzojanak vednoksege alatt, Junius
15-en delutan 4 oratol musor csokorral, kiallitassal es videokal varjak az
itteni Magyarsagot es barataikat.
     A nap kozponti esemenye a masfel oras unnepi musor lesz, amelyen
ismert
koltoink, iroink, enek es zeneszerzoink alkotasait szolaltatjak meg. A
honfoglalas, kiralyink (kozepkor), 1848, a szazadfordulo (Trianon),
a ket vilaghaboru, a kommunizmus, 1956, a kortarsi evek es vegezetul a
jovobe
vetett remeny lesz a musor temaja.
     A  kiallitas is fontos alkoto resze lesz ennek az Unnepelynek.
Intezmenyeinknek, szervezeteinknek,
tajcsoportjainknak es meg vallalatainknak is alkalmuk lesz bemutatkozni. A
tervek szerint, az erdeklodok
ak munkajuk targyi, kepi stb.
dokumentumait. Uzletembereink figyelmebe
ajanljuk a kiallitas nyujtotta lehetosegeket.
     Az Unnepi musor utan a vendegek asztalokhoz ulhetnek es a nap
hatralevo
reszet beszelgetessel, regi baratsagot felujitasaval vagy uj baratsagok
kotesevel tolthetik el. Etelrol es udito italokrol a "Paprikash" vendeglo
gondoskodik.
     Az elokeszuletek tobb vonalon is megkezdodtek. A tanccsoport Nemet
Eva
es Karoly vezetesevel mar hetek ota keszul. A szereplok is probaznak.
Fekete
Gyula zeneszerzo vezetesevel a zenei szamok kezdenek kialakulni,
es a Chicagoi Magyar Baptista Gyulekezet kivalo korusa is bekapcsolodott
az
elokeszuletek munkajaba.
     Ki kell hangsulyozni azt, hogy az Unnepi megemlekezes
elokeszuleteiben
az idosebb korosztalyhoz tartozo
egyenek nagy csoportja csatlakozott az ifjusaghoz, magukra vallalva
egy-egy
akcio levezeteset.
     Ennek a szep elkepzelesnek a sikere csak attol fugg, hogy mennyien
csatlakozunk a rendezokhoz mint
munkatarsak es mennyien teszik magukeva a gondolatot, hogy Hazank 1100
Eves
szuletesnapja kiveteles alkalom
arra, hogy nemcsak magunknak, hanem masoknak is bemutassuk kepessegeinket.
A
tortenelmi viharokban
allandoan ujjaszuleto draga Anyafold csak egy van, "O a mienk,egyedul csak
O
a mienk," meg akkor is ha az
elmult evtizedek folyaman es meg ma is, ketelyeink tamadnak "vezetoivel
szemben." Mi megis szeretni tudjuk!!
Ezen a szuletesnapon felre kell seperni a pesszimista erzeseket, es meg
kell
mutatni a vilagnak, hogy minden
feltetel nelkul tudjuk szeretni azt a foldet amit elso Kiralyunk az
Emberfia
Edesanyja oltalmaba ajanlotta.
     Ha valami modon reszese szeretne lenni ennek a megmozdulasnak es
tehetsegevel szivesen hozzajarulna
a megemlekezes szinvonalnak bisztositasahoz akkor ne varjon semmire sem. A
szervezok csak egy telefon
hivasra vannak ontol. Ha az Unnepi musorban szeretne kozremukodni, akkor
hivja Kremer Sandort a 708-932-9845
szamon. Ha a kialitas vagy az Unnepi musor koruli mas tevekenyseg erdekli,
akkor pedig Stetz Andreat hivja a
312-282-9265-os telefon szamon.

A viszontlatas remenyeben,

Kremer Sandor es a Szervezo Bizottsag
+ - Re: Eva Balogh owes several apology to Freedomfighters, (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 10:40 AM 4/20/96 -0800, you wrote:

>Too bad, (for her) that she is not man enough to take responsibilty
>for her lies!

You've got a lot of chutzpah, mister.  When you've run out of ideas and
can't debate anymore, there's always a persons gender, ethnic origin,
religion, sexual orientation, or some other characteristic that you jump on.
Shame on you!  If you're trying to gain sympathy for your views on 1956,
you're not doing a good job.  Besides, if you had a life, you'd leave the
events of '56 to historians.  Your romanticization of it is nauseating.

Joe Szalai
+ - Eva Balogh character assassinates herself (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Let me *not* comment on the fact that directly quoting Eva Balogh's
*own statement* (that "szabadsagharcosok", "freedomfighters"
expression is *not* used for Hungarian Heroes of 1956)

AMOUNTS TO CHARACTER ASSASSINATION OF EVA BALOGH.

Let me just say that perhaps she should stop assassinating herself
and/or gather some character, if it is not too late, to stand up for what
she says.

As for confronting her lies with the facts, such as pointing to
Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" in 1956, see on

http://www.siliconvalley.com/magyar.html

I refer those who think the photo is "nauseating romanticization" to
Mr. Bela Liptak, who is planning to spend $20,000 of Hungarians
for his ad in New York Times, to reprint Time cover of 1956.

I add, that those calling "nauseating romanticization" of tragic
events 40, or more than 50 years ago, would be much stronger deplored
and excommunicated in a much more vicious fashion, should that happen
not against Hungarian Antidefamation League but against similar
organizations of other nations.
+ - Re: Goulash gauleiter (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  (Stowewrite)
says:
>
>In article <v01510108ad9edfe3bd47@[204.156.156.118]>, the fictional entity
>calling itself Andras Szucs >
>scrawls:
>
>>Some sloppier readers of this list overlooked the fact that it was
>>Eva Balogh...
>
><Snip character assassination>
>
>>Too bad, (for her) that she is not man enough to take responsibilty
>>for her lies!
>
>Too bad you're not man enough to use your real name when posting this
>obnoxious drivel. What the hell has happened to bit.listserv.hungary? Over
>the last couple of days all I'm getting are crossposts from
>alt.hypocrites.left_coast and angry responses to their cowardly attacks.
>Don't you have a brown shirt you need to wash and press, buddy?

A posting here, a posting there, humour, many a grin...
Hark! Whither goes that passing Comet?
Such a strangely mysterious harbinger, of what ill-wind?
Collective unconscious doesn't know it,
How the hearts and minds of folk are soured by this thing.

(excuse the rough edges, it's impromptu...)

--
 George Szaszvari, DCPS Chess Club, 42 Alleyn Park, London SE21 7AA, UK
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 Acorn..RISC OS * IBM PeeCee..PCDOS..Win-OS/2 * NW London Computer Club
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+ - Re: Eva Balogh is a pathological liar (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am not one of Eva Balogh's admirers, and I don't think much of her
expertise outside of her specialty (history).  Indeed, she is very
opinionated and is not averse to bending the facts to suit her prejudices and
does on occasion distort the facts.  But I don't think she is a pathological
liar.  She just seems to have too much time on her hands and can't resist
adding her two cents' worth to any and all controversial topics.  With a few
notable exceptions she keeps her language within the limits of civil
discourse and has in the past tried to avoid personal attacks on her debating
partners.  Unfortunately, she has not been very successful on the latter
subject lately.

Still, the viciousness of some recent attacks on her now have reached way
beyond the limit of what should be tolerated on Forum.  Ultimately, such
attacks tend to discredit the attacker, and generate sympathy for the
attacked.

We have now reached the point where Eva Balogh is the only topic in some
issues of Hungary.  Don't we have anything else to talk about?

Let's try to  keep the debates focused on the subjects, not on the
personalities.

Regards,

Ferenc
+ - Re: Szucs' Toxic Contamination (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

This guy cannot stop talking to himself. Does anyone know a method of
setting Eudora to filter him out automatically?

Gabor D. Farkas
+ - Re: Goulash gauleiter (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  (George
Szaszvari) writes:

>A posting here, a posting there, humour, many a grin...
>Hark! Whither goes that passing Comet?
>Such a strangely mysterious harbinger, of what ill-wind?
>Collective unconscious doesn't know it,
>How the hearts and minds of folk are soured by this thing.
>
>(excuse the rough edges, it's impromptu...)
>
>

Ah, but entirely worthy. Thanks, George.
Sam Stowe
+ - Freedomfigters : Szabadsagharcosok (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

The issue is *not* some liar - pathological or otherwise
aberrant.

The issue is *truth* - and if nobody stands up for it
lies might be accepted as facts.

If nobody stands up for those friends of mine who
heroically died in 1956 as SZABADSAGHARCOSOK,
my nation is defamed. Over my dead body!

I will not bring up her lie that 46% of Hungarians are
antisemite or that Gyogy Szabad was called (Jewish)
names (neither are true) if she backs off, does not
pretend that she is an expert in economics when she
cannot even calculate percentages, and if she apologizes
for defaming Hungarian Freedomfighters.

Care about my Nation and the Truth - could not care less
about her "personality", or if she has any.
+ - Re: Goulash gauleiter (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 02:44 PM 4/21/96 GMT, you wrote:
>In article >,  (Stowewrite)
>says:
>>
>>In article <v01510108ad9edfe3bd47@[204.156.156.118]>, the fictional entity
>>calling itself Andras Szucs >
>>scrawls:
>>
<snip the Toxicially caustic stuff; and replies well deserved>
<Snip character assassination>
>
Focusing only on a quote from:... tatatata.... 'Hungary/bitlist/gwu/'s
newest poet arising from a world 'far away':

>A posting here, a posting there, humour, many a grin...
>Hark! Whither goes that passing Comet?
>Such a strangely mysterious harbinger, of what ill-wind?
>Collective unconscious doesn't know it,
>How the hearts and minds of folk are soured by this thing.
>
>(excuse the rough edges, it's impromptu...)
>
Gratulalok!
Complimente!
Congrats! ... wish I could find more replies, in all the different
languages!... but since, I am at the end of what I feel comfortable with,
how about 'perfecto!.....?
Aniko
PS: 'rough edges, you say'?  Who noticed?
-
+ - Exclusion (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

As long as I am brought up I maintain my rights to RESPOND.
Those who see "exclusion" as a solution to settle debates are
perhaps not considering Hungary democratic.
+ - Re: Eva Balogh is a pathological liar (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am not one of Eva Balogh's admirers, and I don't think much of her
expertise outside of her specialty (history).  Indeed, she is very
opinionated and is not averse to bending the facts to suit her prejudices and
does on occasion distort the facts.  But I don't think she is a pathological
liar.  She just seems to have too much time on her hands and can't resist
adding her two cents' worth to any and all controversial topics.  With a few
notable exceptions she keeps her language within the limits of civil
discourse and has in the past tried to avoid personal attacks on her debating
partners.  Unfortunately, she has not been very successful on the latter
subject lately.

Still, the viciousness of some recent attacks on her now have reached way
beyond the limit of what should be tolerated on this forum.  Ultimately, such
attacks tend to discredit the attacker, and generate sympathy for the
attacked.

We have now reached the point where Eva Balogh is the only topic in some
issues of Hungary.  Don't we have anyyhing else to talk about?

Let's try to  keep the debates focused on the subjects, not on the
personalities.

Regards,

Ferenc
+ - Yucky (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

This constant negativity is yucky, If this keeps up I'll create a fan
mailing list to support Eva and others not interested in messages like
this:

On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Andras Szucs wrote:

> Let me *not* comment on the fact that directly quoting Eva Balogh's
> *own statement* (that "szabadsagharcosok", "freedomfighters"
> expression is *not* used for Hungarian Heroes of 1956)
>
> AMOUNTS TO CHARACTER ASSASSINATION OF EVA BALOGH.
>
> Let me just say that perhaps she should stop assassinating herself
> and/or gather some character, if it is not too late, to stand up for what
> she says.
>
> As for confronting her lies with the facts, such as pointing to
> Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" in 1956, see on
>
> http://www.siliconvalley.com/magyar.html
>
> I refer those who think the photo is "nauseating romanticization" to
> Mr. Bela Liptak, who is planning to spend $20,000 of Hungarians
> for his ad in New York Times, to reprint Time cover of 1956.
>
> I add, that those calling "nauseating romanticization" of tragic
> events 40, or more than 50 years ago, would be much stronger deplored
> and excommunicated in a much more vicious fashion, should that happen
> not against Hungarian Antidefamation League but against similar
> organizations of other nations.
>
+ - Re: Eva Balogh character assassinates herself (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

'Szucs' - or whatever your real name is:

Let me *not* point out the fact that your para as quoted below makes no
sense; grammatically or context wise;
Let me *not* point out the fact that so far, no one on this list has
specifically referred to any photograph you speak of, when relaying opinions
of nausea or romanticization - save yourself 'of course';
Let me *not* point out the fact that many of the 'heroes' of the '56
revolution, would turn in their graves, reading your pathetic words;
Let me *not* point out the fact that those pathetic words as utilized by you
are what can potentially lead to the very defamation you so fear;
Let me *not* point out the fact that my Father along with many of his
friends; who believed in a dream and sacrificed a great deal in the attempt
of making it a reality,  would be extremely disheartened... nay!  violently
sick to their stomachs to realize that someone with your displayed abilities
of venomous hatred would ever refer to them as 'friends'.

Now.... as for the photograph:
>I refer those who think the photo is "nauseating romanticization" to
>Mr. Bela Liptak, who is planning to spend $20,000 of Hungarians
>for his ad in New York Times, to reprint Time cover of 1956.

I would most certainly hope that the photograph is of Mr. Liptak himself;
otherwise, there are ways and means to saving such funds for the purposes of
reprints.   Please, have *Mr. Liptak contact me personally* for details.
Slightly off the topic, but rather relevant;  I have read Mr. Liptak's
memoirs; and have seen examples of his mandate(s) on HL.  As such, I cannot,
for the life of me comprehend association with you, or the likes of you ?

>and excommunicated <snip>
Now; finally something that makes sense of sort .... I wonder just exactly
what the Vatican would have to say, should they be privy to reading your
'displayed love' for humanity at large during the last 'too' many days on
this list?

Aniko
+ - Magyar-Magyar Osszefogas (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

NYILATKOZAT

A New York-i  Kerekasztal targyalasok tamogatoi, allamalapitasunk 1,100-ik es
1956-os forradalmunk 40-ik evfordulojanak eveben kezdemenyezik a magyarsag
peldamutato egyuttmukodeset es osszefogasat.

Kerjuk az otthoni es a vilagban szetszort magyarsagot, hogy parterdekeken,
ideologiai vagy vallasi kulonbsegeken felulemelkedve szolgaljuk egyutt nepunk
talpraallasat, johirenek noveleset, gazdasagi es szellemi megerosodeset.

Legfontosabb kotelessegunk, hogy hazank johiret, a hatalmon levo kormanytol
fuggetlenul, mindig es mindenutt csak javitsuk. Rajtunk is mulik, hogy a
vilag, a forrongo Kozep-Europaban Magyarorszagot tekintse a rend, a
tolerancia es a demokracia szigetenek.

Az Egyesult Allamok polgarai mar tobb evszazda tanuljak a demokracia
alapelveit, gyakoroljak a demokratikus viselkedest es gondolkozast. Mi,
amerikai magyarok, kik ebben a legkorben elunk, nem tehetunk kevesebbet,
minthogy jopeldat mutassunk nepunknek a demokratikus viselkedesben, a
velemenykulonbsegeken felulemelkedo egyuttmukodesben.

A magyarsag felemelkedeset csak egyutt es egymas gancsolasa nelkul
szolgalhatjuk sikeresen. E nyilatkozat kozreadasaval kerjuk a magyar
szervezetek vezetoit, hogy tamogassak igyekezetunket, s vegyenek reszt a
konkret teendoket targyalo elkovetkezo kerekasztal megbeszeleseinken.

Apatini Gyula, A New York-i Hungaria Radio vezetoje
Arany Tibor, az 1956-os Vilagszovetseg New York-i vezetoje
Balintott Karoly, Az Amerikai Erdelyi Szovetseg elnoke
Balogh Sandor, A Nemzetkozi Roma Federacio alelnoke
Rev. Csorba Domokos, A New York-i Szent Istvan Egyhazkozseg lelkesze
Farkas Ervin, A Magyar Zsidok Vilagszovetsegenek ugyvezeto elnoke
Rev. Kereskenyi Sandor, A New York-i Elso Magyar Reformatus Egyhaz lelkesze
Liptak Bela, A Magyar Kornyezetvedelmi Alap elnoke
Papp Laszlo, A Magyarok Vilagszovetsege Amerikai Tanacsanak elnoke
Vamossy-Mikecz Haroly, A New York-i Magyar Haz elnoke
+ - "Andras Szucs" Shoots Himself in the Foot (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 19:31 21/04/96 -0300, Aniko Dunford wrote:
>'Szucs' - or whatever your real name is:
>
>Let me *not* point out the fact that your para as quoted below makes no
>sense; grammatically or context wise;
>Let me *not* point out the fact that so far, no one on this list has
>specifically referred to any photograph you speak of, when relaying opinions
>of nausea or romanticization - save yourself 'of course';
>Let me *not* point out the fact that many of the 'heroes' of the '56
>revolution, would turn in their graves, reading your pathetic words;
>Let me *not* point out the fact that those pathetic words as utilized by you
>are what can potentially lead to the very defamation you so fear;
>Let me *not* point out the fact that my Father along with many of his
>friends; who believed in a dream and sacrificed a great deal in the attempt
>of making it a reality,  would be extremely disheartened... nay!  violently
>sick to their stomachs to realize that someone with your displayed abilities
>of venomous hatred would ever refer to them as 'friends'.

<clip clip>

Go, go, Aniko!

Johanne

e-mail - 
+ - Re: Magyar-Magyar Osszefogas (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear, Dear Mr. Liptak and Group:

Oh, how I wish, that all readers could understand the absolute value of your
posting as attached.  (Had I not failed myself so very badly with a recent
attempt at translating Karinthy's simple statement; I would be tempted to
translate this... but, I must conceed, that while my comprehension of the
language is ok, accurate translation is absolutely beyond my capabilities).
Perhaps, someone else with better abilites and time permitting can take it
on).  This posting could not be more timely in my opinon.

>NYILATKOZAT
>
>A New York-i  Kerekasztal targyalasok tamogatoi, allamalapitasunk 1,100-ik es
>1956-os forradalmunk 40-ik evfordulojanak eveben kezdemenyezik a magyarsag
>peldamutato egyuttmukodeset es osszefogasat.
>
>Kerjuk az otthoni es a vilagban szetszort magyarsagot, hogy parterdekeken,
>ideologiai vagy vallasi kulonbsegeken felulemelkedve szolgaljuk egyutt nepunk
>talpraallasat, johirenek noveleset, gazdasagi es szellemi megerosodeset.
>
>Legfontosabb kotelessegunk, hogy hazank johiret, a hatalmon levo kormanytol
>fuggetlenul, mindig es mindenutt csak javitsuk. Rajtunk is mulik, hogy a
>vilag, a forrongo Kozep-Europaban Magyarorszagot tekintse a rend, a
>tolerancia es a demokracia szigetenek.
>
>Az Egyesult Allamok polgarai mar tobb evszazda tanuljak a demokracia
>alapelveit, gyakoroljak a demokratikus viselkedest es gondolkozast. Mi,
>amerikai magyarok, kik ebben a legkorben elunk, nem tehetunk kevesebbet,
>minthogy jopeldat mutassunk nepunknek a demokratikus viselkedesben, a
>velemenykulonbsegeken felulemelkedo egyuttmukodesben.
>
>A magyarsag felemelkedeset csak egyutt es egymas gancsolasa nelkul
>szolgalhatjuk sikeresen. E nyilatkozat kozreadasaval kerjuk a magyar
>szervezetek vezetoit, hogy tamogassak igyekezetunket, s vegyenek reszt a
>konkret teendoket targyalo elkovetkezo kerekasztal megbeszeleseinken.
>
>Apatini Gyula, A New York-i Hungaria Radio vezetoje
>Arany Tibor, az 1956-os Vilagszovetseg New York-i vezetoje
>Balintott Karoly, Az Amerikai Erdelyi Szovetseg elnoke
>Balogh Sandor, A Nemzetkozi Roma Federacio alelnoke
>Rev. Csorba Domokos, A New York-i Szent Istvan Egyhazkozseg lelkesze
>Farkas Ervin, A Magyar Zsidok Vilagszovetsegenek ugyvezeto elnoke
>Rev. Kereskenyi Sandor, A New York-i Elso Magyar Reformatus Egyhaz lelkesze
>Liptak Bela, A Magyar Kornyezetvedelmi Alap elnoke
>Papp Laszlo, A Magyarok Vilagszovetsege Amerikai Tanacsanak elnoke
>Vamossy-Mikecz Haroly, A New York-i Magyar Haz elnoke
>
>
+ - Re: Hungarian stocks (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>   (Stowewrite) writes:
> What types of investment vehicles are open to the
>  average American with an interest in Hungary? And is Hungary a good place
>  to invest money right now?
>  Sam Stowe
>
>>>>
Some humanity is a good investtment  anywhere Sam  !

Good  on  you !
+ - Re: Eva Balogh arrived and what did she see? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>   "Eva S. Balogh" > writes:
>  Paolo Agostini (oh, yes, our new *Italian* friend) is not so innocent as
>  Martha Bihari thinks. The very title of his posting, "Eva Balogh is a
>  pathological liar," tells us that he is an avid reader of
>  soc.culture.magyar--where my other friend, Andras "Szucs," wrote a
>  *charming* piece with the same title.
>
>  Eva Balogh
>
>>>>

After all  ( I could understand )  I'm shore  you must
look beter than you think Eva !

Regards from
Istvan (as fare as I could)
+ - Re: Eva Balogh is a pathological liar (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Ferenc Novak wrote:

>I am not one of Eva Balogh's admirers, and I don't think much of her
>expertise outside of her specialty (history).  Indeed, she is very
>opinionated and is not averse to bending the facts to suit her prejudices and
>does on occasion distort the facts.  But I don't think she is a pathological
>liar.

Well, what should I say, he 'a szambol vette ki a szot'. I usually disagree
with Eva Balogh, but I think she is not a liar. I also thought it is impossible
to convince her but I had a pleasent surprise when she gave a nice and
detailed (and true I think) description about Szabo Albert.

To Andras Szucs,

I respect your intention to defend the hungarian history and the reputation of
Hungary. I try to do the same. I think you are doing just the oposite right now
.
Would not it be enough to present the facts/truth (or what you think the facts/
truth are), and let the others make their opinion. Besides, your accusations
are getting close to what we call 'nagy nyilvanossag elotti becsuletsertes' in
hungarian (I am sorry I don't know the English version of it), are you sure you
can support them at a legal trial (not if I want that to happen)?

Janos Zsargo
+ - Szucs and jive (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article <v01510115ada03d4dd521@[204.156.156.118]>, the fictional entity
calling herself Andras Szucs >
regurgitates:

>The issue is *not* some liar - pathological or otherwise
>aberrant.

You wish. Then you wouldn't have to be confronted with the sorry mess of
your own lies about who you really are.

>The issue is *truth* - and if nobody stands up for it
>lies might be accepted as facts.

This is rich. You can't even post your attacks under your own real name.
The only time you'd stand up for the Truth is to kick her in the ass as
she walks by.
>
>If nobody stands up for those friends of mine who
>heroically died in 1956 as SZABADSAGHARCOSOK,
>my nation is defamed. Over my dead body!

Nice imagery, that last part. But we've seen no indication that the
martyrs of 1956 voted and left you behind as their mouthpiece. If they
did, you have sadly perverted their heroism and cheapened the meaning of
their deaths. Does anyone else know what Parson Weems here did during the
events of 1956? How many bullets did the brother stop? How many
watchsnatchers did he shoot?
>
>I will not bring up her lie that 46% of Hungarians are
>antisemite or that Gyogy Szabad was called (Jewish)
>names (neither are true) if she backs off, does not
>pretend that she is an expert in economics when she
>cannot even calculate percentages, and if she apologizes
>for defaming Hungarian Freedomfighters.

Trust me, when we need an authoritative voice on anti-Semitism, we can
always listen to you.
>
>Care about my Nation and the Truth - could not care less
>about her "personality", or if she has any.
>
You care nothing for the truth. You are a liar and not a very good one at
that. And if you care about your nation so goddamned much (sorry ladies,
but if you wanna see the cockroaches scurry, ya gotta turn on the lights
full force) why don't you take yourself back there and stop squatting in
mine? Jesus, next you'll be telling us you're some kind of brain
scientist.
Sam Stowe

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