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1 Re: Hungarian broadcast information FAQ (mind)  136 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Titanic and Carpatia (mind)  28 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Analogia (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Az okosabb ismet megprobal engedni (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Az okosabb ismet megprobal engedni (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind)  34 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: ABN Amro buying 89% of Magyar Hitel Bank (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Az okosabb ismet megprobal engedni (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Any (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: Az okosabb ismet megprobal engedni (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)
16 Re: Az okosabb ismet megprobal engedni (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
17 Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind)  38 sor     (cikkei)
18 translation of proverb (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
19 Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind)  51 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Hungarian broadcast information FAQ (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hungarian-FAQ keeper wrote:
> 
> Archive-name: hungarian/broadcast
> Soc-culture-magyar-archive-name: broadcast
> Last-modified: 1996/06/29
> Version: 0.82
> Posting-Frequency: every twenty days
> 
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> 
>  Many thanks go to Andy Vadasz and Peter Soltesz, who compiled much of
> the information shown here. This file is being maintained at the
> archive <http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/HU-broadcast.txt>;. A similar
> compendium is also available from the HAL archives
> <ftp://mineral.umd.edu/pub/hungary/docs/North_Am_Hun_Language_Broadcasts>
> <http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/ftp/docs/North_Am_Hun_Language_Broadcasts>;,
> with more related material under <http://mineral.umd.edu/hir/Entertainment/>;.
> 
>  The programme by the Radio Petofi is available real-time simulcast via
> the Internet (the first such national broadcast according to them):
> <http://www.petofi.enet.hu/reala.html>; (note that this adress is at
> 'enet.hu', signifying E-NET, which is distinct from 'eunet.hu' where
> some other resources are to be found). That page has all the
> information needed to get the sofware handling the 'realaudio' format,
> or one can go straight to the source at <http://www.realaudio.com>;.
> 
>  Realaudio format recorded broadcast segments for some HungarianRadio
> programmes are available thru <http://www.wrn.org/stations/hungary.html>;.
> The homepage for Radio Budapest (the external service of Hungarian
> Radio) is at <http://www.eunet.hu/radio/>; - they have a lot of textual
> information, including schedules and frequency tables for worldwide
> broadcast.
> 
>  Computer-readable Hungarian language broadcast material from the Voice
> of America is found under <http://www.voa.gov/programs/audio/>;; they
> have other computer audio file formats for download beside realaudio as
> well.
> 
>  Here is a listing of Hungarian language broadcasts (as of 28 May
> 1996), collected by Peter Soltesz <mailto:>.
> Note that the Hungarian language broadcast of the Radio Free Europe
> (which was shown in the original version I posted) has been
> discontinued sometime in '95! Also, the Voice of America beam is
> transmitted from outside America and can't be received there (despite
> the earlier listing showing them with their nominal Washington, D.C.
> location). However their Web server makes computer-readable recordings
> available, as shown in the paragraph above.  I dropped the VOA entries
> from here - for the full schedules see
> <gopher://gopher.voa.gov/00/voa-sked/hungarian-pgms> and for all the
> frequencies <gopher://gopher.voa.gov/00/voa-sked/langs-and-freqs>
> (these files can be accessed thru <http://www.voa.gov>; as well as from
> <ftp://ftp.voa.gov/>).
> 
> <<< Text version of database file follows: >>>
>   ID, Type, FREQ, City, ST, PROG, DAY, Time, Address, Tel, Fax
>  KTYM , AM ,, INGLEWOOD , CA ,1,,,,,
>  WVOF , FM ,, FAIRFIELD , CT ,2,,,,,
>  WNDU , AM ,, SOUTH BEND , IN ,1,,,,,
>  WSBT , AM ,, SOUTH BEND , IN ,1,,,,,
>  WRSU , FM ,, NEW BRUNSWICK , NJ ,1,,,,,
>  WCSB , FM ,, CLEVELAND , OH ,1,,,,,
>  WKTX , AM ,, CORTLAND , OH ,12,,,,,
>  WKTL , FM ,, STRUTHERS , OH ,1,,,,,
>  WELW , AM ,, WILLOUGHBY-EASTLAKE , OH ,1,,,,,
>  WIBF , FM ,, JENKINTOWN , PA ,1,,,,,
>  WMZK , AM , 680 , DETROIT , MI ,1, FRI , 2100-2200 ,,,
>  WNYE , TV , 25 , NEW YORK , NY ,0.5, SAT , 1500-1530 ,,,
>  TCI , CABLE ,, WESTCHESTER County , NY ,,,,,,
>       , AM , 1380 , NEW YORK , NY ,1, SUN , 1200-1300 ,,,
>  WQRP , FM ,, DAYTON , OH ,3, SUN , 0900-1200 ,,,
>  WNVC , TV , 56 , FALLS CHURCH , VA ,0.5, SAT , 0800-0830 ,, 1-703-698-9682 ,
>  CKJS , AM , 810 , WINNIPEG, MANITOBA , CN ,0.5, SAT , 2000-2030 ,, 1-204-477
-1221 ,
>       , FM , 105.9 , NEW YORK , NY ,2, SUN , 1200-1400 ,,,
>       , SW , 25 m ,, PA ,0.25, TH , 1645-1700 ,,,
>  TELSTAR , SAT , 22 ,, NA ,,,,,,
>  GALAXY-4 , SAT , 23 ,, NA ,0.5, M-F , 1930-200 ,,,
>  GALAXY-4 , SAT , 23 ,, NA ,0.5, SAT , 1730-1800 ,,,
>  ASC-1 , SAT , 23 ,, NA ,0,,,,,
>  VATICANA , SW ,,, IT ,0,,,,,
>  CBN , SAT ,,, NA ,0,,,,,
>  CBC , SW ,, TORONTO , CD ,,,,,,
>  BBC , SW ,, LONDON , UK ,,,,,,
>      , SW , 3250 , BIRMINGHAM , AL ,1, D , 0700-0755 ,,,
>           ,, 830 , CLEVELAND , OH ,,,,,,
>  MAGYAR RA. , SW , VARIES , BUDAPEST , HU ,0, D ,,,,
>  BUDAPEST , SW , VARIES , BUDAPEST , HU ,0, D ,,,,
>  DEUTSCHE W , SW ,,, GE ,0,,,,,
>  WCPN , FM , 90.3 , CLEVELAND , OH ,1,,,,,
> 
> <<< end of database listing >>>
> 
>  Andy Vadasz <mailto:> posted the following:
> +In a May 14 message, I reported (in part):
> +
> +> their current 9870 kHz will change to 9840 kHz starting May.21. Not clear
> +>whether the change is for the entire 3 hour transmission (including
> +>Hungarian and English language programs).
> +
> +More recently the new arrangement has been posted on the "Radio Budapest"
> +webpage: http://www.eunet.hu/radio/   To summarize. the North America beam
> +is broadcast on 9840 and 11870 kHz with the following breakdown
> +
> +Starting time (UTC)     Language    Beam orientation
> +00:00                   Hungarian    N.America East
> +01:00                   English      N.America East
> +01:30                   Hungarian    N.America West
> +02:30                   English      N.America West
> +
> +In my area (Northern Virginia) the first two segments have been fair to good
> +on 9840 kHz.
> 
> - --
>  Zoli , keeper of <http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/>;
> *SELLERS BEWARE: I will never buy anything from companies associated
> *with inappropriate online advertising (unsolicited commercial email,
> *excessive multiposting etc), and discourage others from doing so too!
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En Csizmazia Gyula vagyok es szeretnem tudni
hogy Orlando-ban mikor es melyik alamason lehet
halgatni magyar musort.

Legyen szivesek valaszolni ha szabad



Kosonom!
+ - Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

td wrote:
> 
> impotentician strikes back :

sorry, AND Books, this > impotentician strikes back :>
was from a different message
+ - Re: Titanic and Carpatia (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 () writes:

>The recent TV drama about the sinking of the Titanic prompts me to ask
>the question: anybody knows what registry the rescue ship, Carpatia was?
>From its name, I am suspecting Austro-Hungarian, but am not sure.

>Joe Pannon

Hi, Joe!

Given the then context (1912), you might be quite right with Carpathia.

Minden jo't!

Eddie

P.S. As a csa'ngo descendant myself, knowing only Romanian between the two 
geographically neighbour languages, although also trying to learn Hungarian now
and then, and knowing Monsegnior Gherghel personally, I'm really curious 
whether there are indeed 2-3,000,000 Hungarian speaking csangos as claimed in
your action/support letter. Good luck with your own work, friends, but don't 
also forget that, sooner or later, the truth, which is highly above us, mere 
mortals, ultimately surfaces.

--
We live, in an age of cages, the tale of an ape escaping in a search of a truth
he can use.                                                    (Peter Sinfield)
                       http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~antoniu
+ - Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

td ) writes:
> td wrote:
>> impotentician strikes back :
> sorry, AND Books, this > impotentician strikes back :>
> was from a different message

Well, well, speeding on the infobahn again and failed to make the curve
and skinned your knees on the gravel shoulder. Tsk tsk.

I leave this standard shift jalopy behind like a trail of skidmarks. Sorry
for the dust td.
+ - Re: Analogia (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
> Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>Actually it ended for me when I posted my first PLUNK!
> Then what are you still doing here?

This is a new thread.

>>If I get on your nerves, as you claim, then you either have a thin-skin or
>>else I am far better at provoking people than I give myself credit for.
> Actually that's the only thing you are good at. Go ahead, collect the credits
.

I'm sure that you are good at some things, perhaps several things. Well,
I'm good at a few other things than being a creditable provocateur.
Anyway, don't let me set the agenda. There's much much more to Usenet than
getting your nerves rattled by me -- ain't that the truth!
+ - Re: Az okosabb ismet megprobal engedni (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial artist wrote:
>If I get on your nerves, as you claim, then you either have a thin-skin or
>else I am far better at provoking people than I give myself credit for.

The only part that you can give yourself credit for is that
you are a hypocrite. And hypocrites get on the nerves of people; like Nixon or
Stalin. Great role models for you.
Although you claim to be a "poet", you couldn't even understand Gyuri's
analogy. How pseudo poetic of you! 
Poetic justice was served!
Thus, you once again prove yourself worthy
of your great title:
willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial artist, the resident imbecile of
the pseudo republic of pseudo poetry (ripropp).

You're great for laughs, willy!

Mr. Bland Gland, aka. the friendly vital organ
+ - Re: Az okosabb ismet megprobal engedni (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

) writes:
> Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>
>>Actually, Joe, I would add to "irreverent" the characteristics of
>>impudence, insolence, buffoonery, fool, etc, etc. 
> 
> Wally,
> you were not supposed to understand that. ;-)
> Joe

I do cartwheels on weekdays, fartwheels on Saturday, and artwheeeeeee on
Sundays. When I am not busy being my wife's BAROMeter, we translate
together. Matter of fact, now I recognize the sound my Harley makes when I
twist the handlebar -- BAROM!! BAROM!! BARRROOOOOM!!!

What a barom I am!
+ - Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

td ) writes:
> impotentician strikes back :

Indeed ANDbooks is impotentician.

>> well eschews my wrods dear kelwall
>> 
>> iz beton like koncrete
>> oooor just another tegla in the wally?
> 
> is justa nada flegma in da uali
> hooz giast a nada flunka in tzambalee

Littering the infobahn again Dimwitty?

|>> d
|>>  r
|>>   i
|>>    v
|>>     e
|>>      l
|> 
|> don't drive on soft-wary shoulders unless you have the rhyming couplets
|> of a Poetentate, otherwise you are a dangling participle, eh?
|>      G
|>     R
|>    A
|>   V
|>  E
|> l
> 
>> and iz that geny or liba?
> ay thinck is lacka
of mediocrity-caca
+ - Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

WE INTERRUPT THIS THREAD TO BRING YOU A MESSAGE OF A MIND WHICH SLIPPED ON
THE CURBSTONE OF THE INFOBAHN.

td ) writes:
> td wrote:
>> impotentician strikes back :
> sorry, AND Books, this > impotentician strikes back :>
> was from a different message

WE NOW RETURN YOU YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED THREAD, SATISFIED WITH THE
SINCERE ACT OF CONTRITION BY TWO-DOOR DIMWIT
                                            L
                                             E
                                             S
                                           .   ,
                                           _\S/_
                            MEDIOCRITYMEDIOCRITYMEDIOCRITYMEDIOCRITY


td makes a big splash in the puddle of mediocrity left behind by Goober
Gobsend.
+ - Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

td ) writes:
> td wrote:
>> impotentician strikes back :
> sorry, AND Books, this > impotentician strikes back :>
> was from a different message

You should be busted for impaired posting.

The breathalyzer says your blood/sillyness reading was 2.8. Oooooooo!
+ - Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

td ) writes:
> td wrote:
>> impotentician strikes back :
> sorry, AND Books, this > impotentician strikes back :>
> was from a different message

Obviously you are not a carrier of Poetic Licence.

You get your merdes wixed -- Poetic Justice strikes again!
+ - Re: ABN Amro buying 89% of Magyar Hitel Bank (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Ronald Kunne > wrote:
 (Michael E Willett) writes:
>>What is the reason that ABM Amro is buying Hungary's
>>fifth biggest bank?
>
>To have a foot in the door in Hungary.
>Eastern European economies will start to grow the next few years.
>
>R.A.Kunne

"A pro'fe'ta szo'ljon belo"led!"      (gy.k. U'gy legyen!)
GK
+ - Re: Az okosabb ismet megprobal engedni (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial artist wrote:
>hasn't a clue that such a genre exists -- the general population's
>acknowledgement is irrelev?nt to its worthiness. However, I find it
>intriguing that two adult men react with such acute hostility to mere
>graphemes and morphemes. They act as if they were the Luddites from
>literary convention.

I reacted that way 'cuz your "poetry" (I put it in quotation marks, because by
any means, your poetry is a collection of random words in random order)  sucks,
willy.

Another reason I reacted with acute hostility, is because you're quite a
hypocrite, along with your wife, the Brigster. (I was gonna write "your bitch,
the Brigster" but I'm not a pseudo poet. What the heck, I'm just too nice.)

I "love" the way ya play the "artist disassociated from society" part. "The
general populations acknowledgement is irrelev?nt to its worthiness." OK,
whatever. This is about as funny as Serdar Argic with his nice posts about the
"Armenian genocide of 200000000000000000000 Turks". Like Serdar, your good for
a laugh - nothing else.

Gabor
+ - Re: Any (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: Hungarians in Romania  ---(7)--- Education in Minority
> Language     (repost)
> From: 007 >
> Date: 6 Nov 1996 14:09:02 -0700
> Message-ID: >
> 
> keep your hungarian nationalist shit where it
> belongs.. in the hungarian news. If you keep
> posting in this group I'll log complaints against
> you to the postmaster. Go away nobody is interested
> in your nationalist and extremist views.  I'm
> serious.....

Ooooooh, Sounds "Serious!"
-- 
Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/
+ - Re: Az okosabb ismet megprobal engedni (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Wally Keeler > wrote:
>Then why waste everyone's time stating the obvious, especially when it had
>never been claimed to be otherwise?
Lie #1

>There was no DEMAND, there was only the stated observation of mediocrity,
>banality, blandness, etc.
Lie #2
+ - Re: Az okosabb ismet megprobal engedni (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Wally wrote:
>The above post is not a poem, not a shining "metaphore" and contains no
>"brilliant creative wordplay".

That was quite obvious for all of your posts. The only question remaining: why 
did you demand them to be in ohers' posts, Janus?
GK
+ - Re: Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Wally Keeler ) writes:
> td ) writes:
>> impotentician strikes back :

& td strikes out

> Indeed ANDbooks is impotentician.
> 
>>> well eschews my wrods dear kelwall
>>> 
>>> iz beton like koncrete
>>> oooor just another tegla in the wally?
>> 
>> is justa nada flegma in da uali
>> hooz giast a nada flunka in tzambalee
> 
> Littering the infobahn again Dimwitty?
> 
> |>> d
> |>>  r
> |>>   i
> |>>    v
> |>>     e
> |>>      l
> |> 
> |> don't drive on soft-wary shoulders unless you have the rhyming couplets
> |> of a Poetentate, otherwise you are a dangling participle, eh?
> |>      G
> |>     R
> |>    A
> |>   V
> |>  E
> |> l
>> 
>>> and iz that geny or liba?
>> ay thinck is lacka
> of mediocrity-caca
>
+ - translation of proverb (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hi,

I once ran accross a Hungarian proverb which roughly translated as

"A child is the result of a long kiss"

Does anyone know the Hungarian for this and what its exact translation
is?  If so, please email me at

   

Thanks in advance!

Ed Kovach
+ - Concrete Poetry -- What It Is (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

WHAT CONCRETE POETRY IS -- EXERPTS

A mode of graphic art, employing graphemes of a given language and
selected typeface, used by themselves, in clusters, morphemes,
words or phrases, and so patterned than an evocative or witty
reading of an otherwise minimal utterance may result.
Alternatively, a mode of inscription poem -- and hence vaguely
linked to epigram -- embodied totally and (imbedded irretrievably)
in a unique typographical instance. In this respect, concrete
poetry is allied to its contemporary concept of musique conrete,
in which the musical work -- whether synthesized electronically,
drawn directly (rather than recorded) on a cinema sound track,
etc. -- exists not as a text to be performed by an instrumental
interpreter, but in a canonical and uninterpretable form.
.. . . 
A good rule of thumb for identifying a concrete poem might be to
try and read the inscription aloud without describing the format
(type style, graphic arrangement, etc) as one might a print. A
poem will yeild up its heart to oral reading; if a concrete poem
will not, it is because no picture will. Consider for example,
e.e.cummings' poem #1 from 95 poems (1958):

                            l(a
                            
                            le
                            af
                            fa

                            ll

                            s)
                            one
                            l

                            iness

A haiku-like evaded simile is here so arranged that the vehicle is
literally troped into the tenor (q.v.): "loneliness" contained the
single leaffall, its emblem (q.v.). This might have been done in a
single horizontal line, but the verticle format graphically
represents the dropping, enforces a slow scanning (and hence,
reading), discovers hidden "ones" in the words (with graphic puns
based on the identity of the 12th letter of the alphabet with the
first Arabic numeral in many typefaces),etc. Needless to say, this
is more complex and sophisticated than many formal instances of
concrete poetry and developed from cummings' lifelong experiments
with format and its relation to poetic form.

              PRINCETON ENCYLCOPEDIA OF POETRY AND POETICS
              Alex Preminger, Frank J. Warnke, O.B. Hardison Jr.
              1974, ISBN 0-691-06280-3

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