Denes BOGSANYI > wrote 
> Rokonsag bar nics de szoros tortenelmi kapcsolat az van. A lengyel
> Jadwega (nemetul Hedwig) ha jol tudom Arpadhazi Szent Margit huga
> volt. O alapitotta ujra a Crakow-i egyetemet es o rajta keresztul lett
> a magyar Nagy Lajos lengyel kiraly.

Mennyivel jobb ez a tema mint Peldaul:
" A Nation of Thieves and Crooks?"  A tolvajok meg bunozok nemzete? , a
magyar nemzetrol a HUNGARY listan.  Persze a vilagert se szabad oket magyar
ellenesnek nevezni.

Ha mar itt vagy, szerinted hol vannak a legszebb lanyok?  Mint oreg ficko,
ez nekem csak elmeleti, de nagyon fontos, tema.

Meg egy kerdes.  A Tollas Tibor verseit nem szandekozod angolra forditani. 
Talan mar valaki meg is csinalta.

Udv: Istvan

Ha valaki probal engem egy bottal fejbe vagni, akkor azt probalom elvenni
tole, es kupan vagni, hogy egy darabig ne gondoljon az ilyesmire.  Nem
tudom, hogy ez azert van mert angyalfoldi vagyok, e vagy azert mert mint
teknikailag kepzett ember a fizikai torvenyek szerint gondolkozok.

Nekem ugy nez ki, hogy ti elvezitek ezt a tragyalast evvel a mocsokkal
akinek csak az a celja, hogy a nemzeti eredetunket ocsarolja.  A magam
reszerol, mindeg buszke voltam az azsiai es hun eredetunkre.  Tudom, hogy
masok is mert nagyon sok magyar nevezi fiat (tobbnyire elso szulott fiat)
Attilanak.

Azt is tudom, hogy az evszazadokon keresztul a nepunket a tatarok, torokok,
osztrakok, nemetek, es oroszok pusztitottak es nagyon keves kozottunk aki
Arpad apankig tudja vezetni a szarmazasat.  Kit erdelkel.  Magyar a
sorsunk, banatunk, es oromunk. 

Ha ez a mocsok megint kuld mocskoskodo uzenetet, akkor 10-5x10-es valaszt
fog kapni tolem es meg eggyet kulon az Agnes neveben.

Udv: Istvan

Dick Smegma wrote:

> > > > > Just stop for a minute and imagine that you live on one street with a
> > > > > rapist, murderer and a robber. Would you feel safe even if the guy
> > was
> > > > > sort of quiet for a few years?
> > >
> > > Why are you so hard on poor Germany?
> > >
> > >
> 
> Germany = quiet for fifty years
> 
> Russia = quiet for five years (not including Chechnya)
> 
> Who should be more feared?

Germany. Recidive is about to be due.

Yury.

In article >, 
 says...
>
>1. Az RT765 uzenetet 'Reply to Author'-ra tettem.
>2. Blokkoltam a 113 sorot es otszor belemasoltam.
>3. Azt megint blokkoltam es tizszer lemasoltam.
>4. A 113x5x10 sorot uzenetet visszakuldtem.
>5. Eltelt egy ket percig, de nem bantam.
>6. Ha kapna meg egy partol ilyen valaszt akkor lassan abba hagyna.
>Istvan  


Talan a Zoli Fekete tud valamit csinalni.  Ugy tudom, van olyan, hogy 
valakit ki lehet uzni egy listarol a serverjen keresztul.  Istvan, 
sohasem gondoltam volna, hogy valamiben is valaha egyetertunk!

Agnes

aheringer > wrote 
> sohasem gondoltam volna, hogy valamiben is valaha egyetertunk!

Biztos?  Ez a 5x10 valasz, nagyon angyalfoldi dolog.
Kulomben, masban is egyetertunk.  Mostanaban lassabban olvasok es irok.
Istvan

1. Az RT765 uzenetet 'Reply to Author'-ra tettem.
2. Blokkoltam a 113 sorot es otszor belemasoltam.
3. Azt megint blokkoltam es tizszer lemasoltam.
4. A 113x5x10 sorot uzenetet visszakuldtem.
5. Eltelt egy ket percig, de nem bantam.
6. Ha kapna meg egy partol ilyen valaszt akkor lassan abba hagyna.
Istvan

 writes:
>Oh Gentle Men,
>allow me;  piss or not to piss, that is not the question here. George, I belie
ve
>it is mostly a "figure of speach". What is at issue here (and I strongly agree
>with Laszlo's statement) is human sacred cows.

>Faludy Gyorgy irt egy "odat" Sztalin hetvenedik szuletesnapjara 1949-ben, itt
>idezek egy par szakot:

>>>So, three cheers for the pissers. 
>I second the motion.

>Sincerely, 
>Marina

Megjegyzes: Faludy Gyorgy 1949-ben irta az odat. Sztalin 1953-ban halt meg.
Haromszoros hurra azoknak, akik mar tavaly is Deng-re akartak pisilni.

Notice: Gyorgy Faludy wrote that ode in 1949. Stalin dided in 1953.
Three cheers for those who wanted to piss on Deng last year.
GK

On Wed, 05 Mar 1997 17:15:54 -0500,  (T.M.Lutas)
wrote:

>If NATO membership is real-politik then Romania's membership has even greater 
>weight behind it. 
>
>With both Hungary and Romania in NATO, how would Russia be able to 
>rekindle mischief in the former territory of Yugoslavia? 

I think that this is one of the strongest arguments in favor of
Romania's admission.  It certainly resonates with most Americans, who
are at least quasi-aware of ex-Yugoslavia.

>If Turkey slides further toward Islamicization and starts looking more 
>towards Iran than the US as a model how is NATO going to keep open its 
>Black Sea options other than from Romanian ports.

This is an important issue, however, I find that most Americans are
woefully unaware of what is happening in Turkey.  Do those of you
inEurope find that Europeans are, on the whole, aware of the Welfare
Party's inherently anti-Western, anti-secular ambitions?  It seems to
me that fear of a vast refugee exodus should make the issue a little
bit more evident there.

Even if Turkey re-stabalizes as a Western-oriented nation, Romania's
addition to NATO significantly strengthens NATO's Black Sea presence.
That is important, since it allows the West to have a more stabalizing
effect in the Caucuses, and, far more importantly, in Ukraine.

>How could Balkan stability be assured with Romania out of NATO and Hungary 
>in. It's a clear recipe for stirring up both ambition and paranoia. Is there 
>a more dangerous mix in the Balkans?

This depends upon whether Romania is being told that she'll be
admitted in the very near future (two or three years) or is being left
out like the Baltic Republics are (as of now -- I suspect that the new
NATO members will keep pushing for further enlargement -- after all,
who wants to be the borderland over which the potential next war would
be fought). 

Alexander

I have edited my return address in order to avoid the
gross excess in junk e-mail infesting the net. 
To e-mail me, just remove the word spamfree
from my address.

 (Alexander N. Bossy) writes:


>I think that it's a combination of the two.  For example, the only
>reason that the Baltic Republics aren't on the short list for
>membership is because of Russian opposition.  Nevertheless, NATo has
>used NATO membership as a carrot/stick to encourage the Central
>European countries into resolving their own underlining conflicts --
>Romania and Hungary being prime examples.

And former Yugoslavia the counter example. I do not trust the 
good intentions of the west, not all the time. Maybe the conflicts
served as a good agent to gain more time. 

>On a strategic level, I also think that it is very strongly in NATO's
>favor to take Romania in:  it effectively blocks Russia from the
>Balkans.  Sticking in Hungary as well (and there is no doubt that
>Hungary is going to be invited in this year) finishes the construction
>of a firewall that will allow the peoples of the hard-Balkan countries
>to remove their uniformally unpleasant governments.

Are the russians really the enemy? 

>Since Romania now has a democratic government dedicated to reversing
>the evil policies of Iliescu on everything from human rights to
>political pluralism to economic reform, it is both in the West's
>strategic and ideological interests in embracing her.  (Of course,
>I've been saying the same thing about Hungary, Poland, and the Czech
>Republic since at leat 1990.)

I would not be so hard on Iliescu. Relative to pre-1990 he has
helped Romania to consolidate and rest. It was a more respectable
governement than many around the world. 

h

 wrote 
> Esely lenne, de sajat tapasztalatom alapjan tudom, hogy sajnos az 56-os
> szulok rosszabb munkat vegeztek a gyerekek magyarsagtudatanak
> megtartasaban, mint a 45 utani DP-s bevandoroltak.

Talan az is fontos, hogy 45-utan sokan csaladostol jottek, es altalaban
idosebbek voltak.  Ismertek Magyarorszagot mert volt alkalmuk utazni es
latni.  Sokan egy helyre telepedtek.

56-os kamasz kolkok vagy fiatal emberek alig ismertek Magyarorszagot. 
Szetszorodtunk, hogy szakmat tanuljunk es valamilyen eletet csinaljunk.  A
felelem es mereg is sokaig velunk volt.  Es a ketely.  En jol elek, masok
meg meghaltak.  Most is borzaszto azokra gondolni akiket 56 utan, miutan mi
leleptunk, megkinoztak es megoltek.  Csak most (oreg koromban) probalok
beszelni ezekrol a dolgokrol.  Talan a batyad meg most se tudd.

Nem volt olyan konnyu magyarnak lenni.  Az iteletet talan hagydd a
tortenelemre.

Istvan

George Kovacs wrote:
> 
> In article > Laszlo Horvath 
.stanford.edu> writes:
> >From: Laszlo Horvath >
> 
> Now, that's a hotblooded Hungarian -or Shakespeare's Hotspur! By golly
> George! I like your temper. But read those lines over again! I had thought
> you were just kidding and not serious. So in the same spirit,
> "tongue-in-cheek" I remarked that after all we should refrain from booing
> you. You just "huzzni akartad" the Poetician. For the world I wouldn't have
> believed that you lied. But since you now admit that you really meant it I
> will say that yes, a booh for you and three cheers for Wally. Whether he
> bragged or not and engaged in bravado (bravado, by the way, is pretended
> courage or feigned confidence), his bravado agrees with me and let us piss on
> graves of human sacred cows. Wally seems to have as much mettle as any body.
> 
> So Gyurikam, if you perceive that I accused you of lying then I most
> certainly apologize. But then, if you were not just teasing Wally and you
> meant it then I feel kind of sorry for you.
> 
> Sincerely, Laszlo
> ===============================================================
> Well, if you think that pissing on a dead man's grave is greater than
> criticizing the dictator, that I guess I feel sorry for you, too.
> Regards,
> GK
> >> Where did this school master stuff come from?

Yes, George:

It would be a much braver act to piss on the great man's leg than on his 
grave. But, alas, many of these great men are not Reagan or Nixon, but 
Dengh, Hitler, Rakosi, and Stalin. Try to piss on their legs while they 
are in power, or often even when they are dead. Why to commit suicide? 
(Of course we are talking about the citizens of the countries living in 
the kingdom of the specific great men. And, thanks God, there have been a 
few brave men that had dared do that -and paid for it). But we have 
been discussing a different situation: the charge by somebody was that 
Wally recently, after Dengh's death, advocated pissing on his grave -and 
this being an act of bravado, for he mightn't have had the courage to do 
it while Dengh was alive. Of course, he would have done it so (and 
probably had done so while Dengh was alive). From Canada and the USA it 
was safe to do it. Had he tried to do so as a Chinese citizen, living in 
China, of course it would have been very brave but foolish and suicidal 
(just as trying to piss on his grave even now after his death)

So, this is how I qualify my original proposal: a thousand cheers for 
those that try to piss on the living, in-power (or dead but considered 
holy cows by the their successors) great men's legs'(and by great men I 
never meant the kind of G. Washington, A. Lincoln, and not even Nixon or 
Reagan -these latter two had plenty of redeaming qualities besides their 
faults), doggie-fashion, doing that from whithin the great men's evil 
empires and braving the consequences); three cheers for those that from 
the safety of democratic countries symbolically piss on the legs or 
graves of the kind of great men that the drift of this discussion from 
its beginning seemed to have agreed on (the Dengh, Hitler, Rakosi, 
Stalin, etc. kind). So, three cheers for Wally. It's understood that if 
Wally could piss (and it can be only symbolic act anyway) of Dengh's 
grave now, he could have very well proposed to do it, let's say ten 
months ago.

But it would be nice to hear the Poetician's comments too.

Sincerely, Laszlo

REMINDER
ARE HUNGARIANS MONGOLS? (Revised Version)Version 3.0


The Hungarians does not look any more Mongoloids for the same reasons the
Turks in Istanbul
look European.

It is also true that the Hungarians of today look European.But their roots
are Mongolic.

From Britannica :(Languages of the world)

"Racially the Uralic people present an unhomogeneous picture.In general
they may be considered
a bland of Europeans and Mongoloid types,with the more western
groups(especially the Hungarians,Baltic-Finnic and Erzya Mardvin groups)
being strongly European and those of the Urals primarily Mongoloid".

From " De Administrado Imperio"by Constantine Porphyrogenitus (Byzantine
Emperor,950AD)

"These eight clans of the TURKS(Hungarians) do not obey their own
particular princes...,They 
have for their first chief the prince who comes by succession of Arpad's
family..."
 

From The Hungarian Chronicle(1095AD):

"We (Hungarians) are descendants of the great Huns of Attila".

From "The Mongols" By Jeremiah Curtin

"Five groups of Mongols have made themselves famous in Europe:The Huns
with their mighty chief Attila,the Magyars,The Turks or Osmanli,the Mongol
invaders of Russia..."


From "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" By Edward Gibbon.

"The(Hungarians) are distinguished by the Greeks under the proper and
peculiar name of Turks,
as descendants of that people who had conquered and reigned form China to
the Volga (referring to the Mongols)".

From "The Cambridge Medieval History" edited by J.H.Hussey.

"The form ovyypoi,from which are derived the various names current to this
day among the people of Europe(Old Church Slavonic,UGRI;
Russian,VENGRI;German,UNGARN;English,HUNGARIANS;French,HONGROIS;Italian,UN
GHERESI,and so on)comes from the Turkic ethnic name ONOGUR meaning TEN
OGUR"

From "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arthur Koestler.

"We also hear of a fearful encounter which St.Cyril,the Apostle of the
Slav,had with a Magyar horde in 860,on his way to Khazaria.He was saying
his prayers when they rushed at him luporum more ululantes-HOWLING IN THE
MANNER OF WOLVES".

From "Britannica"(Languages of the world).

"Recent study indicates that it is posible to speak of a Uralic racial
type,an intermediate stage between the European and the Mongoloid,the
basic features of which are medium-dark to dark hair and eye
colour,relatively small stature and often a concave bridge of the nose".
(Hungary is part of Uralic racial type).

From "Britanica" Hungarian.


"The proto-Hungarians were apparently an ethnic blend of Ugric(Mongoloid)
and Turkish peoples living in western Siberia...The Hungarians were the
scourge of Europe,raiding as far afield as Bremen,Orleans and
Constantinople(the English word OGRE-a men eating man,hideous cruel man,is
a corruption of HUNGAR,attests to their notoriety).


From "1000 years of Hungary" By Emil Lengyel.


"(Hungarian) Folklore speaks about NIMROD the giant,who had two sons,HUNOR
and HAGAR.The former was the ancestor of the HUNS,and MAGOR was the
ancestor of the MAGYARS."

"The experience the Magyars left with the Western world was so traumatic
that even generations later people form the West saw the Hungarians as
apocalyptic monsters. Bishop Otto of Freysing spoke of the exterior of the
Hungarians as ‘ferocious' at the time of the Crusades :(Their eyes are
sunken,their stature is short,their behavior wild,their language
barbarous,so that one can either accuse fate or marvel at divine patience
for having permitted these monsters the possession of an enchanting
land)".


From "History of Hungary" By Denis Sinor


"Though, geographically speaking, of European origin, the Hungarians who
settled in the Danube valley were,spiritually and materially, Asiatics,
and belonged to the great Central Euroasiatic cultural family whose
members lived dispersed form the Danube to China, from Persia and India to
the Arctic. The Hungarian bows and arrows...were of exactly the same type
as those used in Central Asia. As nomadic peoples generally do, the
Hungarians disliked towns,and even houses,to which they preferred tents.
According to Otto von Freisingen, as late as the middle of the twelfth
century, summer and autumn were still spent under tents".

"It is, however quite certain that the Mongoloid type was well represented
among them (Hungarians), and that they were, on the whole, of rather short
stature, with short legs, bowed through continuous riding".

> George Kovacs wrote:
> > Well, if you think that pissing on a dead man's grave is greater than
> > criticizing the dictator, that I guess I feel sorry for you, too.
Laszlo Horvath > wrote (in response to above) 
> Try to piss on their legs while they 
> are in power, or often even when they are dead. Why to commit suicide? 

Laszloval teljessen eggyet ertek.  Eloszor is miert veszitenenk el egy jo
embert semmiert.  Kedves baratom 5-evet volt bortonbe egy kis vicc miatt. 
Az az erdekes, hogy sejtette, hogy volt a 'barati' koreben egy besugo, es
megis elmondta a kommunista ellenes viccet.  Nem birta ki mar a sok suket
dumat.  Nagy kar, hogy ez a jo ember az eletebol 5-evet elvesztett.  Laszlo
meg en okossabbak vagy szerencsesebbek voltunk.  A legszerencsesebbek a
fiatalok, akik nem tudjak, hogy mirol beszelnek.  Egyreszt mergesit az
erzektelenseguk, masreszt orulok, hogy jobb eletuk volt.

Istvan

 wrote 
> to you personally and that it would send you on a guilt trip.  
> So let's keep these things in mind, OK?

Halas lennek ha ezt a temat nem folytatnank.  Elore is koszonom.  Istvan