Peter Szaszvari > wrote:
>
>Citizens are allowed (and welcome) to vote, they only have to go there. 

Oh, boy, it's dumm period for Peter again!
Haven't you noticed what prompted my message?  Bosnians in Hungary
voting in their election.  In Hungary, not in Bosnia!

>Or you want to vote on the internet ?

Ask the Romanians or Poles how they vote abroad.  I'm sure it's not on
the Internet.

>Or you think that it is too dangerous to go to Hungary these days?
>Or why at all would be somebody allowed to vote if he/she does not want to go 
>to Hungary?

For the reason absentee balotts were invented.  To make it easier
for citizens to vote in absentia.

>Or should foreigners decide about Hungary?
>(You must be kidding...)

Who was talking about foreigners? I was talking about citizens, stupid, 
and about generally accepted rights of citizens, practiced now even by 
South Africans. 

Joe

In article > (Michael H
ajovsky) writes:
>From: (Michael Hajovsky)
>Subject: Re: Mr. Frajkor, listowner of Slovak-L
>Date: 28 Aug 1996 11:30:13 GMT

>In >  (Ross
>Hedvicek) writes: 

>  > Professional? "Professionals" like you put Andrei Sakharov to
>  > mental hospital, because his opinions were not liked by the
>  > communist regime. I assume that you  "earned" your questionable
>  > title during a communist regime
>     [Rest of the drivel deleted]

>An unhustified cheap shot. Here you lost all your credibility.

You think so? Read the part below please... 

>  > You forgot to end up your post by "Heil Hitler!"

>But you did not.

     When you talk to fascists you should remind them of their favorite
     greeting. 			

     I have here following information to Szurek's attack on Mr. Kanala and 
     about her questionable, as she puts it, "professional advice".
     
     Here are some facts.  She is not a professional, she is not a scholar 
     and she does not have any experience in the field.
     
     Miss Szurek has just graduated from York University (June 1996) with 
     Bachelor degree in Psychology.  She has been also desperately looking 
     for a job (of course, there is nothing wrong with that).
     
     How do I know?  She has advertised herself in various usenet fora 
     related to child psychology.  BTW, she has received 2 or 3 responses.  
     One such response, from Marion Baumgarten ) on 27 
     June, 1996 reminded her that "a BA in psychology doesn't get you far.  
     Most counseling situations require a Master's with a Doctorate 
     preferred".
     
     Obviously, her professional opinion is even more out of place in 
     Slovak-L.  She is of course free to express her opinion and expose her 
     thinking, but not under a cover of "professional advice", which then 
     becomes a low and nasty personal attack on Mr. Kanala.

     So, Miss Szurek is FULL OF IT - and IT is not any professional
     qualifications.


     Enjoy your day, Mr. Hajovsky.

     Rosta

In article >  (Karl Pollak) writes:
>From:  (Karl Pollak)
>Subject: Re: Mr. Frajkor, listowner of Slovak-L
>Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:35:39 GMT

 (Ross Hedvicek) wrote:

>>Mr. Kanala is merely pointing 
>>out (and he does that for a number of years now) a tendency of Mr. Frajkor to
 
>>tolerate and sometimes outright promote fascist tendencies on Slovak-L (all 
>>that while hiding behind "academic freedom") - if you need examples from the 
>>past: Mr. Frajkor denies a responsibility of Jozef Tiso for death of tens of 
>>thousands of Jews during WWII, he regularly promotes a nationalistic hatred 
>>toward Czechs (his invention of "Real-Slovaks" and "czecho-philes").  

>I agree. One of the reasons I no longer sunscribe to that mailing
>list. Frajkor's ignorant intolerance was getting a tad boring after a
>while. 

>>> I want to tell you that
>>>Mr. Kanala is creating anti-Slovakian propaganda and with the
>>>shameless lies and posting like the last one here is trying to
>>>attract attention and steal your valuable time for his 
>>>selfish personal vengeance. 

>I've been reading Roman's posts for well over a year and a half, and
>have seen none of that.  

>>>My professional advice 
>>>is to ignore any attention-seeker, like Mr.Kanala.  Sick individuals like 
>>>him need treatment and lots of rest.  
>>> ... hopefully help him overcome his sickness.
>>>Kristina, B.A. Psych., Rehab. Cert. 

>I think that Roman should seriously consider filing a formal complaint
>against this woman.  For anyone to claim being a professional and to
>commit such a gross breach of professional ethics is simply
>scandalous.

>If I were in Roman's shoes, I would consider taking steps to have this
>woman's certificate recalled.  

It will not be possible. She does not have any.
 
>It is one thing to flame somebody on
>Usenet, but a completely another to try to flog what is an ordinary
>garden variety spiteful flame, as a professional opinion.

>Further, I would like to know why she felt compelled to cross-post her
>venom into so many newsgroups.

Women can be trained to be extremely fanatical - just look at any 
film-journals from Nazi Germany - who is "sieg-heiling" there the most 
vigorously? Women. :-) 

>Karl Pollak
>Richmond, British Columbia

On 26 August 1996, Mr. Frajkor wrote the following message to 
bit.listserv.mideur-l newsgroup, also on the UBVM server as 
 .

The message is addressing some points raised in my original 
posting, but has been posted only to mideur-l. Indeed, Mr. Frajkor
seems to be the listowner of this mailing list, too, and in order
to keep his multiple identities separated, he felt a need to try
to correct his image on one of the forums.

Mr. Frajkor wrote:

~Roman Kanala writes:
~
~> Dear fellow Netizen,
~> In advance, I apologize for the crossposting but I think this
~> issue may be of interest to this forum, too.
~
~> Slovak-L is a mailing list created by Mr. Frajkor himself to
~> promote hatred, extreme nationalism and rehabilitation of the
~> Slovak fascism. Mr. Frajkor, a professional propagandist, is
~> routinely having recourse to various tricks from the lowest
~> arsenal of a bad journalist, such as purpose lies, falsifications
~> and other manipulations.
~
~
~       As those who read Slovak-L know, it is a list created to bring
~Slovakia to the attention of the international community, to allow
~Slovaks abroad to express themselves to the world, and to permit a
~free exchange of all opinions in the Western democratic tradition.

As those who read Slovak-L know, opinions on the list vary. The 
expression "free exchange of all opinions" sometimes may have surprising 
meanings that are not exactly in the Western democratic tradition.

Let's recall that Mr. Frajkor has attempted to get rid of an uncomfortable
contributor from Carnegie Melon University back in 1993 who did not fit 
into the "mainstream". Was it because the gentleman was a Czech ? Or 
because he was a Jew ? The issue has never been explained.



~> The articles will appear in Slovak-L only and will not be crossposted
~> in order to preserve bandwith and people's adrenaline. Mr. Frajkor
~> already is an unwelcome person in a number of forums.
~
~     No one is unwelcome on Slovak-L as long as they discuss matters
~in a rational, scholarly manner without resorting to name-calling,
~personal abuse, or offensive language.

About two years ago, Mr. Frajkor called a contributor to the Slovak-L
list "a sleazy creature and garden limace". It was when the gentleman
mentioned that spreading fascist ideology on a public forum is contrary
to the law in Canada. That person is still reading the Slovak-L list 
and if needed, he will testimony.

This is continuing to go on, over years. Only two weeks ago, Mr. Frajkor 
called me "little Hungarian Bolshevik" and was threatened by a legal 
recourse. Mr. Frajkor knows that I am a Slovak and he knows that I left 
the socialist Czechoslovakia as a refugee. No satisfactory explanation
offered.

The methodolody Mr. Frajkor is routinely having recourse to will be
analyzed in detail on Slovak-L list. Now that I have undertaken all the
important preliminary steps, I am ready to publish the texts. 


~> Slovak-L can be read either as a newsgroup
~>        bit.listserv.slovak-L
~> or can be subscribed to by sending a message to
~>        
~> with an empty subject line and the body of the message as follows:
~>        SUBSCRIBE SLOVAK-L First_name Name.

Roman Kanala

Karl Pollak ) wrote:

: >Kristina writes:

[deleted]

: >>Kristina, B.A. Psych., Rehab. Cert. 

: For anyone to claim being a professional and to
: commit such a gross breach of professional ethics is simply
: scandalous.

Well, what would you expect from "Cert"? 
(That is a slovak word, you know?) :-)

Boris

Thanks for your info!
What is the best way to send money to the old country(HUN.)  IF the
recepient does not have bank account (folyoszamla)

Thanks!!!!!

In article >,  (Ross Hedvi
cek) wrote:
>In article >  (Karl Pollak) writes
:
>>From:  (Karl Pollak)
>>Subject: Re: Mr. Frajkor, listowner of Slovak-L
>>Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:35:39 GMT
>
 (Ross Hedvicek) wrote:
>
>>>Mr. Kanala is merely pointing 
>>>out (and he does that for a number of years now) a tendency of Mr. Frajkor t
o 
>>>tolerate and sometimes outright promote fascist tendencies on Slovak-L (all 
>>>that while hiding behind "academic freedom") - if you need examples from the
 
>>>past: Mr. Frajkor denies a responsibility of Jozef Tiso for death of tens of
 
>>>thousands of Jews during WWII, he regularly promotes a nationalistic hatred 
>>>toward Czechs (his invention of "Real-Slovaks" and "czecho-philes").  
>
>>I agree. One of the reasons I no longer sunscribe to that mailing
>>list. Frajkor's ignorant intolerance was getting a tad boring after a
>>while. 

I also fully agree.


>>>> I want to tell you that
>>>>Mr. Kanala is creating anti-Slovakian propaganda and with the
>>>>shameless lies and posting like the last one here is trying to
>>>>attract attention and steal your valuable time for his 
>>>>selfish personal vengeance. 
>
>>I've been reading Roman's posts for well over a year and a half, and
>>have seen none of that.  

Neither have I.


>>>>My professional advice 
>>>>is to ignore any attention-seeker, like Mr.Kanala.  Sick individuals like 
>>>>him need treatment and lots of rest.  
>>>> ... hopefully help him overcome his sickness.
>>>>Kristina, B.A. Psych., Rehab. Cert. 
>
>>I think that Roman should seriously consider filing a formal complaint
>>against this woman.  For anyone to claim being a professional and to
>>commit such a gross breach of professional ethics is simply
>>scandalous.
>
>>If I were in Roman's shoes, I would consider taking steps to have this
>>woman's certificate recalled.  
>
>It will not be possible. She does not have any.
> 
>>It is one thing to flame somebody on
>>Usenet, but a completely another to try to flog what is an ordinary
>>garden variety spiteful flame, as a professional opinion.
>
>>Further, I would like to know why she felt compelled to cross-post her
>>venom into so many newsgroups.
>
>Women can be trained to be extremely fanatical - just look at any 
>film-journals from Nazi Germany - who is "sieg-heiling" there the most 
>vigorously? Women. :-) 
>
>>Karl Pollak
>>Richmond, British Columbia
>

Paul JK.

--
I'm always right. Even when I'm wrong.
How can that be? It's a miracle!

From the news:

>HUNGARY'S BOSNIAN REFUGEES CAST THEIR BALLOTS. Some 2,000 Bosnian
>refugees in Hungary have voted in the Bosnian national elections, ahead
>of hundreds of thousands of others still living in exile, Reuters
>reported on 26 August. According to an OSCE official the voting was
>completed without any irregularities among Hungary's Muslim-dominated
>Bosnian community. Under the Dayton agreement, Bosnian citizens living
>abroad are entitled to vote for parliamentary and local council
>candidates prior to the Bosnian elections, which are set for 14
>September. -- Zsofia Szilagyi

I wonder when Hungary grants the same rights to her citizens abroad.

Joe

In article >,  () wrote:

>Who was talking about foreigners? I was talking about citizens, stupid, 
>and about generally accepted rights of citizens, practiced now even by 
>South Africans. 
>
>Joe

Hi Stupid,
it is so good to meet somebody from the same kind.
In my infinite stupidity I call everybody foreigner who permanently lives 
abroad even if he is a citizen of Hungary.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)