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1 Re: Megye (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind)  36 sor     (cikkei)
3 KFT (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind)  72 sor     (cikkei)
5 Universal OneStop Directory (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: áéüö - In English, Please! (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Amerikai magyar ujsagok listaja (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Csecsemo" névek (mind)  45 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Megye (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Megye (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Megye (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Megye? The word corresponds to the English "county" or "district"
I believe it's related to the Mesopotamian place-name MADA which was 
located in the west of modern-day Iran... The ancient Egyptian scribes 
described MADA as the region where the Medians lived. Perhaps the name 
Ma-gyar is related to MADA if we see "Magy" as deriving from MADA and 
"-ar" as a corruption of the Turkic "-gar" suffix meaning literally 
"people of". Thus maybe "Mada people" = Magyar? In any case, megye 
corresponds to the Finnish "metsä" meaning "forest" and probably "maa" 
which I think means "Earth" or "ground". Perhaps the Khalkha Mongolian 
"ayMAG" which means "province" or "district" is related to MEGYE... 
(Slavic root??? :-o ) Just thought the Middle Eastern stuff would be 
worth pondering.  
No, I'm not smoking cheap crack... 

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Regards

Peter Chong
+ - Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 (Poetician1) wrote:

> T.M.Lutas ) writes:

> |This lack of service to a key block in his power base would be
> |inconsistent with the core Iliescu value of maintaining power. What is
> |your explanation for what would be an inconsistency in Iliescu if your
> |assumptions are true? 
> 
> Your assumptions are false. Iliescu gets more support from the ethnic
> Romanian rural/village/small town commuity than from urban centres. Most of
> the mob violence against the Gypsies came from this constituency. His
> action of having police forces act in proxy to the Romanian/Magyar mobs
> will gain him support from this constituency and the numbers of this
> constituency are far in excess of rural Roma. As for the Gypsies -- getting
> punched in the mouth a few times by a cop is far preferential to being
> lynched/murdered by a mob of Romanian/Magyar villagers.

If you cannot grasp how Iliescu can be supported by both the gypsies 
and the rural population please examine the US Democratic party which 
had 90% of the black vote in the 60's and most of the KKK vote as well! 

Even today, Robert Byrd, a known "Exalted Cyclops" (a rank that means 
he had 100 klansman under him) sits in the Senate as a Democrat with not 
one single peep coming out of the black political establishment. In fact 
he was directed to enter politics by his "Grand Dragon" in a letter that 
has since been made public. 

DB

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+ - KFT (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Segitseg, hogy is lesz a KFT buli az Interneten?

Kosz:
Balazs
+ - Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 (Poetician1) wrote:
> >>Wally Keeler ) writes:
> >>>What study has determined the higher crime rate?We don't want any wiggle
> >>>room here. We need an air tight case before we can pronounce that a
> >>>particular ethnicity has a higher crime rate than some other ethnicity.
> >>>Remember that arrest rates are insufficient proof. 
> 
> >T.M.Lutas ) writes:
> >>In general, you trust the professionals in the field unless you have been 
> >>presented with compelling evidence that they are lying. There has been no 
> >>evidence given and every chance that I've had to ask the question of the 
> >>professionals, I've been told the same thing, yes, gypsies do have much 
> >>higher crime rates. 
> 
> Wally Keeler ) writes: 
> >Anecdotes do make for any grounds by which you can slander an entire
> >community by accusing them of having higher crime rates, therefore the
> >targetting and beatings are justified.
> 
>  (T.M.Lutas) writes:
> |Not what I said. Targetting is justified by higher crime rates to the
> |extent that they exist and only in proportion to their higher level over
> |other communities. Beatings are not justified under any circumstances other
> |than to legitimately subdue a suspect who is a danger to the officers
> |and/or the general public and then only as long as the danger exists. 
> 
> Unless the Romanian police have been trained in elements of human/civil
> rights and their maintenance of those rights, then I will defer to the
> "professionals in the field" (Amnesty International, Helsinki Watch, etc)
> whose primary focus are on those very rights and they are trusted unless and
> until there has been presented very compelling evidence that they are lying
> or otherwise misleading. You claim that "every chance that [you've had] to
> ask the question..." but did you ever ask the question of any Gypsy
> professional, or Gypsy organ? Huh? Anecdotes and or gossip is insufficient
> grounds to slander an ethnic community with higher crime rates. And you know
> better than that.

That the police do not respect human rights is accepted by me and 
everyone else in this discussion AFAIK. The question is whether they 
step on gypsy toes unjustifiably harder than they step on romanian or 
hungarian toes. That is what is not covered by the reports so far. 

> No other ethnic community is being targeted. If they are, then no one from
> that community is complaining. It is quite understandable that the victim of
> racism will pronounce such. It is also understandable that a racist will
> deny racism and disguise their racism in the cloak of other excuses; "They
> are a community of thieves," etc. "Perception" of higher crime is not the
> same as the actual fact that there is or is not higher crime, nevertheless,
> of the forces of law and order are acting only on perceptions held by the
> general population, and if that perception (Gypsies=criminals) is largely
> unfounded or grossly exaggerated, then everything that follows is based on
> racism. You have not produced a single bit of evidence supporting your
> initial slander that the Gypsy community has a higher rate of crime thereby
> warranting the targeting of the Gypsy community to the exclusion of any
> other ethnic community, unless, of course, you have evidence that other
> communities are being targeted. Do you?

You claimed 11% population and 11% of crime was gypsy. I just looked for 
web sources that cover the gypsy population. The population was estimated 
at 1.5-1.75%. Now I don't have any crime stats to challenge yours with 
so unless you wish to retract yours then I'll let the 11% stand. Do you 
maintain that a less than 2% population that commits 11% of the crime 
deserves no targetting by the police? 

DB

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The Romanian Political Pages               http://haven.ios.com/~dbrutus
Now available: The Romanian constitution in Romanian, an URL minder
Coming soon: An expanded Ilascu section, and victims of communism memorial!
These posts are not official PNT-cd policy unless specifically marked as such.
+ - Universal OneStop Directory (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Our team are in the process of designing a Universal OneStop Directory to
cater for Electronic Commerce and various information provision over the
internet. We are seeking joint venture partners (Software developers,
ISPs, Local Newspapers, Marketing companies, etc.) and Sponsors whether
they are individuals or businesses from all over the world.

 If you are interested in taking part in such a joint venture project,
please contact Colin Dobson ) or John
Mitchell ) by e-mail in the first instance with
details of your areas of expertise, experience along with a resume or a
note containing on how you can help us in our project.
+ - Re: áéüö - In English, Please! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, HipCat  > wrote:
>One of the easiest ways I have used to place accents on words is using
>the codes from character map for Times New Roman font.  For example, á
>is "alt" and 0225.  This is useful especially for occasional use.  Make
>a list and put it next to your computer. I have been using this system
>and so far folks have been seeing the characters without a problem. 
>Since I have an example in this text, that should be an answer in and of
>itself - did it work on your reader? 

I think this is the oldest method of entering characters in the high
ASCII range.  Unfortunately it's also the one that slows down the
typing most.  Thanks but no thanks.

Joe
+ - Re: Amerikai magyar ujsagok listaja (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

(Gabor Morocz ) wrote:

>Tisztelt Olvasok!

>Az Amerikaban kiadott magyar nyelvu ujsagok listajat keresem ha van
>ilyen egyaltalan. Kerem ha barki tud ilyenrol tudassa velem.
>E-mail cimem:  

Ha lehet akkor ezt szivesen latnank gondolom itt is.
Udv -=Munchausen=-
+ - Re: Csecsemo" névek (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> Ildikó (name of Attila's wife - old but very "Magyar" name)

Germanic: Hilde- [or Childe-] (e.g. Hildegard, Hildegunde, Hiltraud,
Hildrun).
Don't you know that Ildiko was from Burgund? :-)

Also note composita in male names: Hildebrand, Hilderich, Hildemar.

(from "hilta" or "hiltya" [Old German] = struggle)

> Ilona (cf. Helen or Inanna - Sumerian goddess name)

(Oh, boy! Those Sumerian etymologies... ;-)

> Andór (I don't know where this is from)

Maybe another form of Andras/Endre?

> András (Andrew)

> Béla (old name - uniquely Magyar - maybe from Sumerian BAL or BEL?)

;-)

> Imre (Emerich)

Question: isn't Imre rather Turanic, since there are also Turkish Imres?

> László (Leslie or Ladislas)

i.e. Vladislav!

> Levente (old general like Botond, Jeno" and maybe Bulcsú - but Levente
>         and Jeno" were killed along with their tribes in a war with the
>         Bulgars)

Any relationship --> Turkish 'Levent'?

> Nándor (maybe from "Nagy-úr"? - great lord?)

Ferdinand!!!

> Peter Chong

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+ - Re: Megye (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >  writes:
>"Megye"  has the ro[o]t in the verb TO GO  ?
>An other world used was "Jaras" also a form of TO GO ?

Megye is rather Slavic I think.
Jár (ja'r) is not to go, it is rather not "to" a place but "at" a place:
to pass, to frequent. Járás (ja'ra's) as the territory depending on a village
(in French "commune") is the area where (local) people go by/around/frequent.
-- 
-- Olivier Clary   mailto:   http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1326/
Me'te'o-France/CNRM/Groupe Mode'lisation pour Assimiln. et Pre'vision, Toulouse
Aussi loin qu'est l'orient de l'occident, Il met loin de moi mes fautes --Ps103
Se nem kicsi, se nem nagy, / E'ppen hozza'm valo' vagy!  (Lakodalmas -Te'ka e.)
+ - Re: Megye (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >  writes:
>Hm, the problem with some of the cited Slavic words and the Hungarian
>word "mesgye" is that I don't think they had anything to do with the
>word "megye" besides sounding similar.

They somewhat do: most Slavic words and the Hungarian mezsgye mean a border
strip of land, and megye "county" is the land delimited by the border.
-- 
-- Olivier Clary   mailto:   http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1326/
Me'te'o-France/CNRM/Groupe Mode'lisation pour Assimiln. et Pre'vision, Toulouse
Aussi loin qu'est l'orient de l'occident, Il met loin de moi mes fautes --Ps103
Se nem kicsi, se nem nagy, / E'ppen hozza'm valo' vagy!  (Lakodalmas -Te'ka e.)

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