In article >,  wrote:

> In article  > cdeitsaucsf wrote:
> 
> :Intra-adevar e pacat de ce s-a intimplat la Cluj; o mare parte de vina
> :o au insa absurdele pretentii ale UDMR si altor organizatii maghiare
> :privind autonomia locala (care fiti siguri duce direct la Budapesta).
> 
>  Desigur, de vina sunt maghiarii, probabil si iudeo-masonii, biciclistii
> precum si occidentul marsav care ne-a tradat la Ialta-Malta laolalta! 

You seem to miss the point. The hungarian minority propose autonomy, 
the fear is that autonomy will be the first step towards a reimposition
of Hungarian colonial rule. The hungarian minority is just that, a minority.
If it ever wants to implement its program it is going to need to get 
significant ethnic romanian support. So you are going to have to answer 
that challenge above. You are going to have to demonstrate to us why 
autonomy isn't going to be as bad as we fear, but as good as we can both
hope. I would suggest that one thing that you can do is police your own.
Shout down the idiotic hotheads who provoke us into getting mad at all 
of you. Denounce those who are stirring the pot and ask us to do the same
so that reasonable people on both sides can form an alliance against our
respective extremists. 

>  Dealtfel autonomia locala este inclusa in programul mai tuturor
> partidelor din Romania. Probabil chiar si al PDSR.

Can you say lip service? I knew you could.

> :Cine se bucura? Cine dezbina pentru a stapini. Cit despre felicitari,
> :trimite-le direct lui Funar nu poporului roman pe care nu il reprezinta
> :tot asa precum tu nu reprezinti poporul maghiar.
> 
>  Dupa semnatura imi dau seama ca esti pentru prima data in preajma
> scr-ului (stii, ca individul care vizita pentru prima oara Africa de Sud
> in bancul celebru non-PC). Caci altfel ai stii ca in orice discutie in
> care Funar era pomenit ca un exemplu al sovinismului existent in Romania,
> argumentul se ocolea spunand ca individul nu ar fi reprezentativ. Pentru
> mine niciodata nu a fost acceptabila aceasta abordare de catre moderatii 
> de pe newsgroup, iar in viitor,dupa realegerea triumfala a individului, 
> nu va fi acceptabila nici pe atat.

Bernie Sanders, a Socialist, was elected to Congress in the US. Does that
mean that the US is going more to the left? No, in fact is moving right.
Similarly, Funar wins in Cluj while his party disintigrates and drops its
vote totals everywhere else. What does this say about racism/chauvanism 
in Romania? A competent, showy politician is going to get re-elected 
even if his constituency disagrees with him on certain issues.

>  Sper sa remarci ca in majoritatea circumscriptiilor alegerile trebuie 
> repetate. Acolo, unde nu, in cele mai multe locuri se va tine turul doi de 
> scrutin. In schimb Funar iese dintr-un foc primar, cu tot cu Caritas. Hai 
> pe bune ca trebuie sa ai tupeu sa spui ca e nereprezentativ!

No, you just have to look at the election results beyond just one city 
before you can make statements about where the country is going. Funar 
may represent Cluj or he may not on the ethnic question. It all depends
on internal motivations. This could have been measured by exit polling
but I haven't read about any of that in Cluj or anywhere else in Romania.

>  Ca idee generala, o persoana nu poate reprezenta un popor intreg. Mai
> ales ca daca te-as intreba, probabil ca nu ai putea sa-mi raspunzi, cum
> definesti acest popor (fie el cel maghiar sau roman). O alta idee este
> ca Matyas nu a incercat sa para reprezentantul unui popor intreg (cum 
> nici eu nu pretind acest lucru). Funar in schimb pretinde asa ceva, si
> din cate se vede, pretentiile lui nu sunt nefondate, cel putin in ceea
> ce priveste un segment destul de important al electoratului, implicit 
> al poporului (oricum ai defini acesta).

I can claim to be emporer of the US. If a town elects me as mayor does 
that mean that it is true? Funar represents those who voted for PUNR. 
The PUNR registered a decline in their vote share. Thus, Funar's 
influence is on the ____________ .

my answer
1. Decline

paranoid hungarian answer
2. Rise

Let me know which side you ended up on.

DB

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 () writes:

>Koszonet, Vera.  Gondolom ez egy uj jovevenyszo lehet a magyarban, mert
>en csak mostanaban tudok rola, a HIX cikkeibol.  

Erdekes. A nemetben mar a haboru elott volt szokasos a "meschugge", de meg 
most is gyakran hasznaljuk.

>Azert nehez elhinni, hogy ne lenne jo magyar szo 
>is a mesuge helyett, 

Bizony.

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T. Kocsis > writes:

>>the initial consonants [kl]

>Well,  the number of Hungarian villages and towns with this
>intitial is above 2200. 

What??? 2200 Hungarian placenames starting with Kl...? I doubt it.

>This alone refutes your dubious preli-
>minary condition 

???

>but I checked my dictionaries as well:

>The K in the 
>Hungarian- German:   103 pages 
>German- Hungarian:    46 pages

>I am afraid Hungarian language has more k initials than the
>German.

He was talking about kl-, not merely k-.

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My momma owns a house in Hungary, therefore we're more or less committed
to go te Hungary this year. Last year we've zipped through the west
part, after staying two weeks in her house. This year we want to see
more of Hungary, I'm particularly attracted to the east, as I've never
been there before, but of course information about the west, north or
south is very welcome too!.
We're both not very much 'citylovers', and all information that's easy
to get seems to be about Budapest. Although a nice city, we're more
looking for tips about little towns or villages, nice forests, anything
off the beaten track. We're traveling in a Van and planning to bring our
two dogs. (Nosox and Kutya, hungarian by birth) Therefore this year, 
as we did last year, we plan to be camping wild, preferably near water, 
where it's possible to swim. (we're prepared to swim in fishing water, 
as all non-swimming lakes are called
such in Hungary)
        Also, I'd like to have tips about what to do, where to eat, and
what to see in the neighbourhood of Ajka, Papa, and Veszprem, as the
house is in Varoslod, and I'm planning to spend two weeks there alone
with my mother.
Thanks a lot for any help received!!!

Aukje.

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